Pilot Compensation
10-19-2008, 01:00 PM
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Career Changers
Originally Posted by FlyOrDie
I can't help but feel that your statement is a tad condescending. "Boy someday you'll understand what its really like" I have an awesome job, 8 days off a row in a month, I live in base and do practically zero overnights, I make $48.61 with a 60 hour guarantee. Am I being too positive? Or am I just an exception?
I came to the career changers forum because I will probably face some sort of career bumps down the road and was looking for ideas of how to over come those obstacles.
He had thousands of hours and plenty of PIC in a large plane however the piston time he was getting was about as marketable as Duchess or Barron time. Most of his contacts were other Alaskan pilots who were in the same boat. He could not afford to leave since he was making a living but could not advance without starting completely over as a new hire at a regional. He also was unmarried and blamed the remote location for that. He wanted out but was stuck.
Flying in Alaska is fun but most of it really does not help overall career advancement much. It is easy to get swept away because Alaskan companies usually pay well, the jobs are fun and eventually pilots are able to build up a reputation and respect. Most of my peers were unable to make the crossover and eventually quit flying or accepted that Alaska flying was going to be their career.
I had a chance at the same exact job and I am sure it is a lot of fun. I guess it all depends on what you want to get out of aviation. I wanted a satisfying career and to build a middle class family life.
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10-19-2008, 01:04 PM
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Failure?
[QUOTE=USMCFLYR;481925]
No not everyone is destined for failure in aviation. It all depends upon what you want to get out of an flying career. If all person wants is to fly a plane then that is easy to accomplish. However if they wish to use an aviation career as a foundation to build a fully funded family life upon then I would say that it is a difficult path and that your money is better invested elsewhere.
SkyHigh
I'm sorry Sky you are losing me here. What exactly are you trying to argue here? You are wrong about the true compensation being overlooked. Every year the DOD puts out a paper that shows what your *true compensation* is - meaning what you would have to make in the **real** world to be provided with the same benefits that the military provides - so nothing is overlooked. Maybe ignored, but that is the individuals choice.
Absolutely everyone that enters the military is given a bunk, health care, and food (even if that food if two MREs a day). That is one reason why the military is such a great choice for many. Do you know what an E-2 makes per pay check - and if he is married and supporting a family and trying to live on the outside then they have often been spotted in food stamp lines.
http://www.dfas.mil/militarypay/mili...ayCharts35.pdf
So....if you are trying to point out how bad you had it when you started out - I'm sorry for that; and I'm glad that you are not in that situation anymore.
Now....what does that have to do with the tone of your posts? Because you had a bad time in the industry anyone who chooses it is destined to failure? Sad.
USMCFLYR
Absolutely everyone that enters the military is given a bunk, health care, and food (even if that food if two MREs a day). That is one reason why the military is such a great choice for many. Do you know what an E-2 makes per pay check - and if he is married and supporting a family and trying to live on the outside then they have often been spotted in food stamp lines.
http://www.dfas.mil/militarypay/mili...ayCharts35.pdf
So....if you are trying to point out how bad you had it when you started out - I'm sorry for that; and I'm glad that you are not in that situation anymore.
Now....what does that have to do with the tone of your posts? Because you had a bad time in the industry anyone who chooses it is destined to failure? Sad.
USMCFLYR
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10-19-2008, 03:42 PM
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Absolutely everyone that enters the military is given a bunk, health care, and food (even if that food if two MREs a day). That is one reason why the military is such a great choice for many. Do you know what an E-2 makes per pay check - and if he is married and supporting a family and trying to live on the outside then they have often been spotted in food stamp lines.
10-19-2008, 04:28 PM
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Wow, airline pilots and military folks now have the food stamp line as something in common <sarcasm>. [B]Guess the regional 121 equivalent to the two MRE's a day would be those very not so healthy trailmix bags I ate for breakfast, lunch and dinner from the galley
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10-20-2008, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
I have never been in the military however it seems to me that the military provides many things that are taken for granted like housing.
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10-20-2008, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyMontana
Correct me if i'm wrong here, but I think that the military pays for flight training and pays its pilots while they train-is that not correct.
No that is not correct. You are assuming that we are professional pilots. I am an officer in the United States Marine Corps. That is what I get paid for. My aircraft is a weapons system. A favorite saying is that we are rifleman temporarily assigned to flight duty.
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10-21-2008, 06:39 AM
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Some Jobs
Originally Posted by ChrisH
Problem with this, is if you look at what anybody made in 1980, vs what they make now, EVERYBODY should be making significantly more. NO job has kept up with inflation.
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10-27-2008, 10:11 AM
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I am a Math teacher and I have a student that is trying to do a research paper on the airline industry and in particular wages of men vs women and wages of various ages of pilots.
Does anyone have a link to where my student can access this kind of data perhaps even some of the data that SkyHigh referenced about starting pay in 1980 or even earlier? Thanks for your help.
Does anyone have a link to where my student can access this kind of data perhaps even some of the data that SkyHigh referenced about starting pay in 1980 or even earlier? Thanks for your help.
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