80ktsClamp,

I am not telling everyone that their career choice sucks, that would be silly. I write this stuff only for people who enjoy friends, family and healthy finances. Those who also like having their sacrifices offer a fair return on their investment and who like having maximum control over where and how they live. Ya know people who like being valued and respected by their employers. And lastly to ones who care about their future and wish to invest themselves someplace where they have something to look forward to.

I am sure that everything is great for you. I would not dream of having you be forced to read this stuff.

Skyhigh

 

It is important add in all the important details to get the full and most accurate accounting like:

1. The opportunity cost of what you could have been doing other than wasting four to five years in college.

2. All tuition, books and living expenses for four to five years.

3. The full cost of all flight training plus taxes, ground school and check rides.

4. The interest on the student loan that is going to haunt you for the next 20 years.

Compare all that to something else like joining the Army at 18 or sorting boxes for UPS. Lastly college and flight training are inflating in price hugely every year. In my home university one hour of flight training comes in at around $200/hour dual. $145 plane 50 for the instructor plus another 50 for pre and post ground. A professor in the department claimed that their students are graduating "$160,000 in debt".

$250,000 for four to five years of college plus flight training through CFI and lost wages is low if anything. Fate will take are of the rest. A studio apartment at 50. It happens all the time.

Skyhigh

 

My 4 year degree from a reputable public university AND flight training combined wasn't even 1/3 of that number. Get real.

You couldn't be more transparent even if you would just came out say what you really think.

Just because you use polite words and try to sound nice doesn't hide the fact that LNL76 and others are right about you when they summarize your sentiments as:

You've basically said as much in nearly as many words! And when you get called out on it you circumnavigate it or ignore it entirely. It makes you look weak. If you truly don't feel that way then clear it up for us direct and to the point. But if you do feel that way then just own it and all of this can stop.

You see, people here aren't responding to you like this because they can't accept that someone thinks aviation is not a good career choice. Everyone here respects your right to that opinion, and you're certainly not alone here in holding that opinion.

People here respond to you like I am now because you're a very judgmental and arrogant person that grossly generalizes ten's of thousands of people about their morals and values. You have absolutely no right to say such things. Its not enough for you to simply say that you think aviation is a poor career because of tangible things like risking a low financial return, less time at home, unstable industry, etc. That would be fine and anyone would be hard pressed to argue against that. No. You tell others that they are bad people in almost as many words. It would only take mere minutes to pull up dozens of posts where you do this.

Now that I've said my piece, I'm going to quit while I'm ahead.

 

And there it is.. another insulting remark that if you are in aviation and enjoy it... basically calling those people out saying you have no friends, hate your family and certainly must be broke.

You just cant stand it can you Sky...you have to throw out the insult/dig at people rather than just state your case. Frankly I am disappointed in the moderators of this board that allow you to insult the masses.... an insult is an insult whether directed at one person or many. Pathetic is what it is.

 

Few others but you get on the forums just to post two or three random thoughts (always of the same material) or even quote yourself to begin another post. I'd say that most of the same material you hear from others is rebuttal from your same material.
Some people use exaggerations and insults just to be shallow and mean too. If you get tired of it, then why do you do the same. Sounds vindictive.

USMCFLYR

 

Herc,

You should see the things that people write to me and get by without much comment at all. I feel that my exchanges are in kind.

Skyhigh

 

AZ,

I just disagree is all. Plenty of others here are writing the same stuff. Go after them for a while.


Skyhigh

 

I think my unmitigated arrogance and blind self confidence to write all this contrarian stuff comes from my time as a recurrent ground school instructor.

Recurrent ground school is an unusual situation where a single person is in the position of providing instruction to a classroom of highly experienced professionals. It takes a pair to stand up in front of a class of bored and irritated pilots and try to produce meaningful new information.

No matter what you say in balance is possibly hundreds of years of line experience. If your message is off by even a tiny bit there will be opposition in a hurry. Overtime I noticed that lively conversation was instigated by controversy. Debates left the class with a higher understanding that could not have been achieved without the exchange. Different perspectives on the same issue provided a more fleshed out and deep understanding of whatever the topic at hand was.

Both sides could be right and both sides could be wrong at the same time in the end however everyone left better informed than if they had just sat through another lifeless lecture.

Skyhigh

 

Did you insult and belittle your students too during your time as a recurrent ground school instructor for your own amusement? What I'm reading here is that you purposefully stir the pot with your proclaimed use of flambait in order to liven up the debate?

USMCFLYR

 

Car dealers offer a wide variety of vehicles, with different features and prices, but will not custom-build one for you. Personal choices made early in life, and insisting on a special list of options, may limit the number from which you can select. Finding nothing suitable, you must choose another mode of transportation. In that case you can wish happy motorists well, or shout "Cars stink! Anybody who buys one is an irresponsible or well-connected sociopath! The auto industry failed me!", then angrily saddle up an organic cow and ride off.