Trump Proposes to Privatize ATC
03-16-2017, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
If you fly VFR there won't be any fees
Safety second or third, look we have priorities here...
03-16-2017, 03:36 PM
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If you use more services, you should pay for them. Fuel taxes disproportionately affect larger aircraft, which use the exact same resources as a Cessna 172, from an ATC perspective. User fees are more fair.
03-16-2017, 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
Well that sounds safe...
It exists to rat race friends, find fishing holes along the Delaware River, make lunch runs, inspect local ski slopes, chase deer off the local grass runway and watch the sunset. None of that flying requires ifr or talking to a controller. In fact in the 6 years I've owned it I've never had it over 3000 feet .
Now if you are referring to a guy with a bonanza/cirrus scud running to avoid fees then I may agree. But then again the guys that would do that stuff already do it now anyway - I don't think fees are going to increase it.
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03-17-2017, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam York
Now if you are referring to a guy with a bonanza/cirrus scud running to avoid fees then I may agree. But then again the guys that would do that stuff already do it now anyway - I don't think fees are going to increase it.
Corporations are designed to make money, and will do so at monopoly rates given the inherent nature of a single monolithic ATC service, not provide essential services at lowest practical price.
I'm not sure where the push to privatize is coming from, other than some crony capitalism from a few that will benefit bigly when given the contract.
03-17-2017, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
If you use more services, you should pay for them. Fuel taxes disproportionately affect larger aircraft, which use the exact same resources as a Cessna 172, from an ATC perspective. User fees are more fair.
Cessnas hardly ever use ATC services except for getting in and out of towered fields and doing practice approaches in day VFR conditions, where separation is not provided. The majority of ATC resources are spent on turbine aircraft, there is nothing disproportionate about how cessnas contribute less since they consume much less.
03-17-2017, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by threeighteen
I don't think so... when's the last time you ran into a Cessna 172 in Class A airspace?
Cessnas hardly ever use ATC services except from or getting in and out of towered fields and doing practice approaches in day VFR conditions, where separation is not provided. The majority of ATC resources are spent on turbine aircraft, there is nothing disproportionate about how cessnas contribute less since they consume much less.
Cessnas hardly ever use ATC services except from or getting in and out of towered fields and doing practice approaches in day VFR conditions, where separation is not provided. The majority of ATC resources are spent on turbine aircraft, there is nothing disproportionate about how cessnas contribute less since they consume much less.
03-17-2017, 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
You missed my point. If a Cessna 172 and a 777 are both in the IFR system how are they not using the same resources? As it stands right now (fuel taxes) and which one is subsidizing the other. The same could be said for corporate jets.
For instance, how many clearance/ground/tower/departure/approach/center controllers are required for a 777 to conduct a 5-6 flight from EWR to LAX? How many times a day/week does it do that?
Now how many controllers does it take for a cessna 172 to do an 5-6 hr IFR flight from an uncontrolled field in Tennessee to an uncontrolled field in Florida with a fuel stop in Alabama? How many times a week does it do that?
the consumption rate is not the same.
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