Happyflyer

Yes, when 3407 crashed the mins were 1,500CA and 250FO.
These mins were deemed insufficient for the CA and FO, the CA would now be required to have 1,000 121, and FO hold an ATP, and PIC type rating.
Those 3 changes are not at all unreasonable.
The CRW runoff, was exactly the type of accident that the law made and effort to prevent. *the NTSB hasent release their findings, but it's not hard to imagine a low experance crew having difficulty landing with an offset loc, with minimum visibility at night.
If it would have been a 121 operation, the captain would have had 1,000 in operation, and FO held an ATP with a Shorts PIC type. It's very much possible they did, but also would be outrageous if a 121 plane with 50 passengers went off and the crew only had 1,500/250.

ItnStln

Thanks for explaining it!

at6d

3379 and 2244 respectively.

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/AccidentReports/Reports/AAR1001.pdf

ItnStln

Thanks, I couldn't find that.

GeneralPilot

"Under the proposed change, experience at unaccredited flight schools, or training programs offered by the airlines, would for the first time be able to count toward the 1,500 hours requirement."

Young aviator here, what exactly does this even mean?

Nevjets

It means you will get paid less than what you would today.

iahflyr

All the 1500 hour rule did was shift those poverty wages down to CFI and Part 135 level. Instead of getting on with a regional at 500 hours and being done with regional crap first year pay after one year (At maybe 1,000ish hours TT), now you get crap pay from 250-1500 hours, and get marginally ok pay 1st year at a regional (when before you would be at 2nd year pay by then).

They just need to flat out lower the minimum hours to something reasonable, like 750 or 1000 hours. Putting the "structured classroom training" just creates winners (Part 141 schools or aviation universities) and losers (everyone else).

I argue that the 1500 hour rule made everything less safe. In the past when regionals had plenty of applicants, they could pick and choose the best. Now that there is such a shortage of people with 1500 hours, they are forced to hire people who before would have been previously passed up (Multiple training failures, DUI's, lack of systems knowledge, etc...).

Adlerdriver

"Poverty wages" as a CFI or 135 is irrelevant. Putting a 500 hour wonder in the right seat of an RJ is not the answer. They need experience before they break into -121 and start flying passengers. They're not entitled to a flying job at low hours just because life would be easier that way.

Maybe CFIs and 135 guys will start demanding better wages if they actually have to do that job for a while rather than the 100 hour touch and go it used to be when they could jump into an RJ job at 500 hours.

CBreezy

I made more as a CFI than I did as a 1st year regional FO. My second year as a CFI, I made close to 50

at6d

My guess is you didn't work for a regional between 2000 and 2007. I had an ATP with the CFI alphabet and 600 multi, close to 2000 hours and was barely competitive to get the job (and the $17K I made my first year).

The regional market for pay and upgrade at present time is the best it's been in pretty much ever.

What hasn't changed, is that a 500 hour civilian pilot has the same (if not less experience--don't get me started on the glass kids)--than a 500 hour pilot from 20 years ago, no matter what the pay was then or now.