What's Happening in Newark?
07-13-2017, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by tizzizzailslf04
Nothing you said negates anything I said up there. Many of those "toilet cleaners", given the opportunity, would make it through a civilian flight training program with just as much "dedication and hard work" and you and I. Unless you were military (I was not), having money was a gigantic piece of the pie. The largest piece of the pie. It may not be what the pilot ego wants to hear, but it's the truth.
07-13-2017, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Nantonaku
It doesn't have to be a gigantic piece of the pie. There is more than one way to skin a cat and flight training can be done at an incredibly affordable rate if done right with a little creativity.
The biggest obstacle for most between stopping there and attending civilian flight school is MONEY. Yes, flight training is difficult and challenging, but lets not kid ourselves...it is NOT law school, or med school. The majority of the people you are looking down on, provided the resources you had, would have no trouble going to flight school and getting to the exact position you are in now.
07-13-2017, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
You realize that's how the labor movement started right? Poorly educated factory workers were working 12-18 hour days, 7 days a week for almost nothing and organized. I applaud them. Clearly their employer isn't paying them or treating them fairly. :This is my shocked face:
I really hope you don't think iron workers building the Empire State Building wanting safety improvements, is in anyway related to a wheel chair pusher showing up consistently late to the gate to push a wheel chair and dodge their next drug test, if they even have them.
For the record I am not for anyone being mistreated, but I haven't witnessed very much work ethic form the majority of the ones I've had to deal with.
07-13-2017, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Happyflyer
Or it started by factory workers realizing they produce for the company and are skilled now.
I really hope you don't think iron workers building the Empire State Building wanting safety improvements, is in anyway related to a wheel chair pusher showing up consistently late to the gate to push a wheel chair and dodge their next drug test, if they even have them.
For the record I am not for anyone being mistreated, but I haven't witnessed very much work ethic form the majority of the ones I've had to deal with.
I really hope you don't think iron workers building the Empire State Building wanting safety improvements, is in anyway related to a wheel chair pusher showing up consistently late to the gate to push a wheel chair and dodge their next drug test, if they even have them.
For the record I am not for anyone being mistreated, but I haven't witnessed very much work ethic form the majority of the ones I've had to deal with.
07-13-2017, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Unskilled labor. The people whose job it was to pour iron or shovel coal. Just because it's dangerous doesn't make it skilled.
Your attitude is why so much of America is anti union. No one thinks the trades or craftsmen shouldn't organized, but when the Teamsters try to choke a company by forcing a guy to have a book to push a wheelbarrow, its self destructive. If these guys would lean to push a plane back for SW they could make $16 bucks an hour, but you have to pass a drug test and know more than how to flush a toilet or push a wheel chair.
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07-13-2017, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by tizzizzailslf04
You are starting to miss the forest for the trees here. The point is pilots love to look down on these cleaners, customer service, baggage handlers, etc as uneducated when the reality is that many pilots have the exact same education level as many of them...a high school diploma. Or a college degree.
The biggest obstacle for most between stopping there and attending civilian flight school is MONEY. Yes, flight training is difficult and challenging, but lets not kid ourselves...it is NOT law school, or med school. The majority of the people you are looking down on, provided the resources you had, would have no trouble going to flight school and getting to the exact position you are in now.
The biggest obstacle for most between stopping there and attending civilian flight school is MONEY. Yes, flight training is difficult and challenging, but lets not kid ourselves...it is NOT law school, or med school. The majority of the people you are looking down on, provided the resources you had, would have no trouble going to flight school and getting to the exact position you are in now.
07-13-2017, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by tizzizzailslf04
You are starting to miss the forest for the trees here. The point is pilots love to look down on these cleaners, customer service, baggage handlers, etc as uneducated when the reality is that many pilots have the exact same education level as many of them...a high school diploma. Or a college degree.
The biggest obstacle for most between stopping there and attending civilian flight school is MONEY. Yes, flight training is difficult and challenging, but lets not kid ourselves...it is NOT law school, or med school. The majority of the people you are looking down on, provided the resources you had, would have no trouble going to flight school and getting to the exact position you are in now.
The biggest obstacle for most between stopping there and attending civilian flight school is MONEY. Yes, flight training is difficult and challenging, but lets not kid ourselves...it is NOT law school, or med school. The majority of the people you are looking down on, provided the resources you had, would have no trouble going to flight school and getting to the exact position you are in now.
I'm quite certain the skill set required to fly airplanes isn't something every human was born with. 3 years of flight instructing taught me that. It's possible some people aren't motivated enough to jump through the hoops airline pilots have had to jump through. It's possible some of us without money took a look around and decided there was a better future out there and figured out a way to make it happen.
Your premise couldn't be more ridiculous.
07-13-2017, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by CoefficientX
Money is not the biggest obstacle, that's ridiculous. Ask my parents, they didn't have any. Ask the people in the financial aid office where I obtained grants and student loans.
I'm quite certain the skill set required to fly airplanes isn't something every human was born with. 3 years of flight instructing taught me that. It's possible some people aren't motivated enough to jump through the hoops airline pilots have had to jump through. It's possible some of us without money took a look around and decided there was a better future out there and figured out a way to make it happen.
Your premise couldn't be more ridiculous.
I'm quite certain the skill set required to fly airplanes isn't something every human was born with. 3 years of flight instructing taught me that. It's possible some people aren't motivated enough to jump through the hoops airline pilots have had to jump through. It's possible some of us without money took a look around and decided there was a better future out there and figured out a way to make it happen.
Your premise couldn't be more ridiculous.
Previous posts declaring that money is the main obstacle for everyone was pretty presumptuous.
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