Packrat

That's the tariff the Trump Administration is slapping on the C-series jet.

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/n...series-imports


Ouch.

Qotsaautopilot

I'm fine with that so long as he decides to protect us just like Boeing. Deny NAI NUK ME3 unmanned technology. If it's about the American worker then let it be universal

ShyGuy

If true, that's kinda BS. Selling something under cost just to secure an order (and lets face it, without DL's order the C Series was in trouble) is wrong from a competitive standpoint. I can see why Boeing would would do this. And that's not to say Boeing doesn't make shady deals but this Bombardier deal is just embarrassing.

StrykerB21

Good news.

CBreezy

You mean like Boeing selling the 737 to United at a 73% discount so they wouldn't order the C-series? http://www.businessinsider.com/boeing-took-some-extraordinary-measures-to-crush-its-canadian-opposition-2016-3

Or what about Boeing selling heavily EXIM bank subsidized wide-bodies to countries to compete against US airlines.

And there is the fact that the $200M 787 is being sold at a 50% discount in order to justify the line even being open.

Saying the the Bombardier deal is embarrassing is completely ignoring the fact that Boeing is doing far worse to get rid of a technologically advanced aircraft in a market they aren't even competing in. But hey, they'll sell you used E-190s or a 1950s era -700 at a steep discount.

David Puddy

This tariff is completely unfounded and it is entirely political. Boeing doesn't compete in the desired seat category - it no longer produces 100-120 seat aircraft like the 717 or the 737-600. And it's important to remember that Boeing offered to sell used Air Canada E190s to Delta for cheap to get them off their books (acquired through a swap deal with Air Canada for 737 MAX aircraft). Boeing offered E190s because it doesn't have an aircraft in Delta's desired seat category. And now it claims to be financially harmed! Say what?

How can Boeing prove that it has been harmed financially when it no longer produces an airplane in that seat category?

Burton78

I don't have a strong opinion either way about the C-Series. I will say however, that it I find it a little entertaining and somewhat ironic to watch the DL guys squirm about the situation. Screaming about unjust government subsidies of the ME3, but then are totally ok with it when it benefits them in the C-Series order.


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CBreezy

50% of the airplane is built by US companies. And an airplane that size isn't even made by Boeing. What was Delta supposed to do, by antiquated 737s they didn't need or wait another 50 years until Boeing decided to make a new narrowbody type. ME3 and the C-series are apples to oranges.

Burton78

I hear you man. Like I said, I don't have a strong opinion either way. I absolutely don't blame DL for jumping on an amazing deal. I just can see both sides of the argument a little. I truly feel that Boeing is spending way too much time making enemies riding a petered out wave opposed to innovating. It'll more than likely bite them in the end.


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ShyGuy

Meh. It's not like US airlines are ordering Boeing widebodies by the dozens. Besides, United is a long term customer and they've delivered many Boeing products to them: 727, 737, 75/767, 757, and 787. So it's understandable if they gave a good deal on the 737. That's quite a bit different than one struggling aircraft manufacturer (lets face it, they are) who was looking to underball pricing just to launch their new airplane be securing a large order.

I had a long SEA overnight so I took a Boeing Everett factory tour. Every single 777 I saw being built there was destined to foreign airlines. When was the last time a US airline ordered a 777? And how many? Can you really blame Boeing for wanting to find business overseas? It's their job to sell the planes. And if US airlines won't order them in droves, then Boeing will find airlines that will. Bombardier is just mimicking Boeing, Canadian based company that has the C-Series being pumped out in Northern Ireland with parts built all over the place. But the difference is unlike Boeing, Bombardier couldn't find anyone to buy their planes. So they took a pretty aggressive step and low-balled the planes to Delta for a massive order that would ensure a launch success of the airplane.