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Old 10-31-2017, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by KSwift76 View Post
Would be curious about the outcome/outrage if that encounter and subsequent shooting were caught on tape and then said officer was acquitted of all charges. What do you think the outcome would be?

Hell we had a Black kid beat up a white guy who was following him, then got shot and most guys I flew with felt it was justified because he didn't look like the "sweet little kid" the media was showing of him. Not trying to bring up old issues, but several guys I work with thought it was okay. It's not okay.

My 15 yr. old son is not small, wears hoodies and listens to rap music (as do I ) and it's not okay for any of you to question him if he's walking down the street in our neighborhood minding his business, whether there have been recent break ins or not. It is not okay.
If you don't beat up strangers your odds of getting shot go down.
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Old 10-31-2017, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Peacock View Post
If you don't beat up strangers your odds of getting shot go down.
If you don't follow strangers, your odds of getting beat up go down too.
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Old 10-31-2017, 09:17 AM
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Okay, now that's kind of funny. You have tough competition with 95% of the other "privileged white guys"? You realize that the odds are ever in your favor, right? Did it ever occur to you that many minorities and women do not get scholarships and are not hired because of EEOC mandated quotas? That maybe they are competitive on their own merits?

I never understand why people begrudge the tiny percentage of hiring going to those of different colors or different sex. They really aren't taking all of the slots, there just aren't enough of them. And the vast majority of them are just as qualified as you are, or more so. The fact that there are some targeted scholarships that a small number get, so what?
Hopefully this will help answer your question:

In a motion filed with Senior U.S. District Court Judge Hubert F. Will, the EEOC charged that United failed to hire minority and female pilots at twice the percentage of qualified applicants, as it had agreed to do in 1976.

An EEOC spokesman said that if 10 percent of pilot applicants in a given year were women, United had agreed that 20 percent of the applicants hired would be women.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1988-09-13/business/8801300011_1_entry-level-pilots-pilot-applicants-minorities

A United spokesman, Joe Hopkins, said in 1987 that the company had begun complying with the requirements of the court decree in that year, and had been hampered before that by intense demand among all airlines for minority and women pilots.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1994-05-20/business/9405200384_1_entry-level-pilots-women-pilots-united-airlines

Not sure how I can make it any clearer but I'll try. If you were in a pool of candidates, would you want to be in the "average" pile that represents the 95% white male or would you want to be in the 5% 'special' (privileged?) pile that, by law, MUST get hired at twice the rate of their white male counterparts?

You don't believe this to be unfair? How bout illegal? Unethical? Racist/sexist? Why should KSwift, an African-American brought up in a successful household with educated parents be accorded legally enhanced status over an under privileged white male...because of the color of his skin? I believe there is a name for that behavior.

What about white females? Aren't they equally likely to come from a "privileged" household then their white male counterparts?

If, as you claim, they are just as qualified as their white male counterparts, why does the law stipulate they are hired at twice the rate? Why the special scholarships, internships, quotas?

Discrimination: the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex

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Old 10-31-2017, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by KSwift76 View Post
If you don't follow strangers, your odds of getting beat up go down too.
One of those things is against the law
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Old 10-31-2017, 09:26 AM
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One of those things is against the law
Doesn't make it right. If I thought hard enough I'm sure I could name several things that are legal but not right...like shredding a company's pension plan in bankruptcy then leaving with millions of dollars. Not illegal, but also not right. Curious how you would react if I were following your son around and questioning him? I suspect you would not be thrilled.
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Old 10-31-2017, 09:29 AM
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Doesn't make it right. If I thought hard enough I'm sure I could name several things that are legal but not right...like shredding a company's pension plan in bankruptcy then leaving with millions of dollars. Not illegal, but also not right. Curious how you would react if I were following your son around and questioning him? I suspect you would not be thrilled.
I think Zimmerman is a creep. I think it was tragic. It was also the correct result legally. Don't attack people.
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Old 10-31-2017, 09:36 AM
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And I would say that is a weak excuse. Slavery has been gone for 150 years and jim crow hasn't had an effect in over a generation.

This issues are gone and history.

You keep saying something is statisticlly true but that is not true.
Ummm whites have a crap ton more wealth than blacks.....how is that not true? Please explain precisely


And they are not history at all, in the slightest, in the least bit.....
Your parents would have been segregated from whites, that is one generation
Why don't you ask 70 year old southern black folk if those issues are gone.
Your childish inability to separate your feelings from facts are quite entertaining
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Old 10-31-2017, 09:47 AM
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I think Zimmerman is a creep. I think it was tragic. It was also the correct result legally. Don't attack people.
Legal or not, how do you think it would have played out had the situation been reversed. You think there would have been been an acquittal? I don't. Which speaks to how we are perceived differently based purely on how we look which speaks to all of the examples I have tried to illustrate in this thread. You're right. It is tragic.
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Old 10-31-2017, 10:14 AM
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If you don't follow strangers, your odds of getting beat up go down too.
He went home and came back out looking for him and once he found him he assaulted him. It is pretty clear it was 100% justified and probably should have never gone to court.

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Legal or not, how do you think it would have played out had the situation been reversed. You think there would have been been an acquittal? I don't. Which speaks to how we are perceived differently based purely on how we look which speaks to all of the examples I have tried to illustrate in this thread. You're right. It is tragic.
Probably would have gotten zero press, much like the police shootings of white people you never ever hear about despite the fact that they are killed more than everyone else combined.

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Old 10-31-2017, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by KSwift76 View Post
Legal or not, how do you think it would have played out had the situation been reversed. You think there would have been been an acquittal? I don't. Which speaks to how we are perceived differently based purely on how we look which speaks to all of the examples I have tried to illustrate in this thread. You're right. It is tragic.
If it was reversed it would have been a story about a black kid killing a Hispanic dude, even though he was named Zimmerman. Do not pass go, do not collect white privilege.
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