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Sliceback 12-01-2017 05:08 AM

AA’s offering 150% so the answer to your questions is “not AA.”

AA did offer the F/A’s 300% last year after screwing up their Christmas bidding.

Boeing Aviator 12-01-2017 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by Sliceback (Post 2475150)
Boeing Aviator - for UA to experience that fleet growth, via domestic growth, would require SW, AA, and DL to just sit back and let UA effectively take all 9-12% of the upcoming domestic growth. Or if the other Big 3 grew by roughly 5% domestically UA would grow by 14-17% domestically.

If anything I’d think it might be more likely that DL increases its large w/b percentage.

Maybe or maybe not. Post merger with our previous management team UAL got smaller and gave up a lot of flying. We may have more room in our hubs to grow vs AA & DAL in their hubs. May not happen, but I wouldn’t just rule it out. It is a factor to consider looking forward between all 3 legacies.

Sliceback 12-01-2017 06:39 AM

Guys could also play “what it AA, or SW, got the w/b percentages UA has.”

I’d recommend assuming the relative relationship between the Big 4 stays relatively stable.

Mover 12-01-2017 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 2475363)
Exactly what other company is so generous that it allows junior pilots to drop xmas after pbs bids close and offer 200% pay to have them come in to work trips they would otherwise been assigned?

Fake news.

sherpster 12-02-2017 01:10 AM

From my outside the company perspective it seems like all the UAL talk of adding capacity hasnt resulted in more pilots being hired. There aren't any classes posted for Jan yet. Meanwhile AA has announced officially 925 new hires and has scheduled pilots for Jan class dates and has Feb class dates on the books.

I do keep reading about new RJ's at UAL though.

blizzue 12-02-2017 06:15 AM


Originally Posted by sherpster (Post 2476033)
From my outside the company perspective it seems like all the UAL talk of adding capacity hasnt resulted in more pilots being hired. There aren't any classes posted for Jan yet. Meanwhile AA has announced officially 925 new hires and has scheduled pilots for Jan class dates and has Feb class dates on the books.

I do keep reading about new RJ's at UAL though.

I'm new here but I wouldn't read too much into us not having classes posted. They didn't do any staffing updates for a month and when that returns I imagine the classes will be published.

azdryheat 12-02-2017 10:09 PM

After well over 30 years of doing this, here is my take:

If you have 25+ years left, who is the best to work for will change at least 3 or 4 times. You won't know the answer to this question until after you retire.

So go where you are offered a job that you want to do for a long time and enjoy the ride.

sherpster 12-05-2017 09:00 AM

Anybody know the general idea of fleet numbers for AA going forward? I saw on this board the 80's and E190's are slated for retirement. Are they being back filled? The AA retirements are higher than all the other Major airlines but if the fleet shrinks then it really won't matter that much.

Just wondering.

mainlineAF 12-05-2017 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by sherpster (Post 2477881)
Anybody know the general idea of fleet numbers for AA going forward? I saw on this board the 80's and E190's are slated for retirement. Are they being back filled? The AA retirements are higher than all the other Major airlines but if the fleet shrinks then it really won't matter that much.



Just wondering.



Slice could tell you better but i think block hours have actually increased over the last few years even though the mainline fleet has shrunk slightly.

There’s only 20 190s and 50ish 80s left. They’re being replaced by 73s and more buses. The fleet is supposed to stay relatively stagnant.

Sliceback 12-05-2017 11:15 AM

A couple of years ago there were so many unassigned S80’s that just replacing them 1:1 with 737’s, that would be flying, was going to the same as a doubled digit (30???) increase in fleet size.

The fleet is being back filled. 64 n/b retirements in 2017-2019, 85 new AB/737 deliveries in the same period. Data subject to some change but hopefully fairly close.

Google ‘ MIT Airline Data Project’ and there’s a lot of data.

US/AA 2011 - 2016 block hour data -

2011. 3,361 (000’s)
2012. 3,339
2013. 3,448
2014. 3,602
2015. 3,479
2016. 3,495

4% more than 2011, 3% less than 2014. Half full vs half empty?


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