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04-11-2018, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 106dart

It's actually very easy and inexpensive to do these days.
Geek level 1000 reading ahead.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multilateration

They would only have to catch and prosecute a few to make it stop.

The prosecution would be federal, DOJ, not FAA violations. Radio is the FCC.

04-11-2018, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by trip

It’s the worst in the S.E. area of the country. I just turn the volume down or off if it’s a distraction.

You shouldn't have to ASAP a missed handoff because tools pollute your backup freq. ATC calling you on guard is a freebee. If they have to pick up a phone to have company sendan ACARS, their current policy is to report that as a deviation.

04-11-2018, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine

Yeah, it actually is hard to "triangulate" a VHF transmission without specialized equipment distributed over a wide area. It would require a dedicated FCC task force to enforce. And even so, the margin of error can be miles dues to inference patterns on congested frequencies.

Not difficult-at all.......

Just get a general idea of the location, and pull up ATC tapes-or hell, flight aware.

At most, they would have to pull two or three CVRs.

04-11-2018, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by jcountry

Not difficult-at all.......

Just get a general idea of the location, and pull up ATC tapes-or hell, flight aware.
At most, they would have to pull two or three CVRs.

One of the greatest safety tools this industry benefits from is anonymous self-disclosure and non-punitive monitoring of data FOQA/ASAP etc. To play along with your fantasy of CVR based discipline, handing out CVR tapes and other onboard data to a grab bag of entities just to satisfy your guard police fetish would have a major impact on industry safety, and undermine decades of reasearch and data gathering.

04-11-2018, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by gliderguider

Or the MTV, Jersey Shore, Miley Cirrus crowd could start acting like professionals. Just sayin’.

04-11-2018, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Airhoss

Or the MTV, Jersey Shore, Miley Cirrus crowd could start acting like professionals. Just sayin’.

Quite effective rebuttal there Socrates.

04-11-2018, 08:10 AM

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Quite effective rebuttal there Socrates.

We shouldn’t even need to have this conversation. But then again you should know that lumpkins.

04-11-2018, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Airhoss

We shouldn’t even need to have this conversation. But then again you should know that lumpkins.

Everyone knows Guard misuse is foolish. What is even more foolish is using onboard data currently used for non-punitive safety purposes to combat and prosecute it.

04-11-2018, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by jcountry

Not difficult-at all.......

Just get a general idea of the location, and pull up ATC tapes-or hell, flight aware.

At most, they would have to pull two or three CVRs.

The difficulty is getting FCC employee to hang out all day in multiple facilities spread across the country. Then, after getting a list of locations they would have to find out which facility had the tapes, compare their locations with the radar returns. Then they have to figure out who was on the flight and get a warrant for the CVR (something ALPA would put up a fight for). I just find it hard to believe that any controller has time in their day to do this. If the FCC and FAA really cared they would actually do this, but like PED in the cockpit, they have bigger things to worry about.