East Coast Guard Idiots....
04-11-2018, 10:20 AM
#41
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Originally Posted by jcountry
My suspicion is that they are probably building some cases right now.....
https://www.nbaa.org/ops/cns/faa-fcc-investigating-misuse-of-121.5-mhz-mayday-frequency.php
It’s not hard to triangulate the broadcast and pull a few CVRs. The guard idiots would never know.
Maybe they will find a few who have done this frequently and throw the book at them. You often hear the same voices....
I can’t wait!
And once again, such a stupid way to kill a career. There is no way anyone can talk their way through this stupidity in an interview. People who get nailed doing this are 100% done. They will never get hired anywhere worth working at.
https://www.nbaa.org/ops/cns/faa-fcc-investigating-misuse-of-121.5-mhz-mayday-frequency.php
It’s not hard to triangulate the broadcast and pull a few CVRs. The guard idiots would never know.
Maybe they will find a few who have done this frequently and throw the book at them. You often hear the same voices....
I can’t wait!
And once again, such a stupid way to kill a career. There is no way anyone can talk their way through this stupidity in an interview. People who get nailed doing this are 100% done. They will never get hired anywhere worth working at.
Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
Yeah, it actually is hard to "triangulate" a VHF transmission without specialized equipment distributed over a wide area. It would require a dedicated FCC task force to enforce. And even so, the margin of error can be miles dues to inference patterns on congested frequencies.
From a cost perspective, they will just let the guard police (you) keep doing their thing.
They can’t just pull a CVR either.
04-11-2018, 11:10 AM
#42
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Controller 1: "Hey, Bob, how is your sector going?"
Controller 2: "Good except for this annoying chatter on guard"
Controler 1: "Just write down the exact time you hear a transmission down to the millisecond. Then we will call all the other sectors around us and ask them to find the exact same transmission and send us the time they received it. Once we get 4 of them, we can find someone who has a masters in geometry to find the point of transmission. Then we reference the radar data for the time of the transmission and find the flight number. We can then contact the airline and ask for the name of the flight crew and the CVR. I am sure an airline would have no problem providing us with that information."
Controller 2: "I think I'll just wait 2 minutes for the pilot to get bored of meowing or fly out of range"
Controller 2: "Good except for this annoying chatter on guard"
Controler 1: "Just write down the exact time you hear a transmission down to the millisecond. Then we will call all the other sectors around us and ask them to find the exact same transmission and send us the time they received it. Once we get 4 of them, we can find someone who has a masters in geometry to find the point of transmission. Then we reference the radar data for the time of the transmission and find the flight number. We can then contact the airline and ask for the name of the flight crew and the CVR. I am sure an airline would have no problem providing us with that information."
Controller 2: "I think I'll just wait 2 minutes for the pilot to get bored of meowing or fly out of range"
04-11-2018, 11:23 AM
#43
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Originally Posted by cornbeef007
They can’t just pull a CVR either.
But DOJ can get a warrant to pull anything if needed.
Triangulation and correlation to flight numbers would be trivial.....
several federal departments are quite good at that, and have mobile assets. It wouldn't be cheap, so it's questionable whether they'd incur the cost. But if they wanted it bad enough, no brainer.
They'd only have to prosecute one airline pilot, with suitable publicity, and problem solved.
04-11-2018, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
You shouldn't have to ASAP a missed handoff because tools pollute your backup freq. ATC calling you on guard is a freebee. If they have to pick up a phone to have company sendan ACARS, their current policy is to report that as a deviation.
04-11-2018, 02:07 PM
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Anybody consider it's a bored out of their mind small airport controller? If it keeps happening in the same place all the time.
I'm just kind of sick of the guard police talking on the ATL ramp frequency.
I'm just kind of sick of the guard police talking on the ATL ramp frequency.
04-11-2018, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by echelon
Lol what? A deviation for a missed handoff? I'll believe it when I see it, and I've gotten several of those ACARS messages (including when both myself and the other crewmember were alert and attentive and monitoring guard and still never heard our callsign) and I've never filed an ASAP and I've never heard a word about it.
04-11-2018, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
"They" being the FAA, maybe correct.
But DOJ can get a warrant to pull anything if needed.
Triangulation and correlation to flight numbers would be trivial.....
several federal departments are quite good at that, and have mobile assets. It wouldn't be cheap, so it's questionable whether they'd incur the cost. But if they wanted it bad enough, no brainer.
They'd only have to prosecute one airline pilot, with suitable publicity, and problem solved.
But DOJ can get a warrant to pull anything if needed.
Triangulation and correlation to flight numbers would be trivial.....
several federal departments are quite good at that, and have mobile assets. It wouldn't be cheap, so it's questionable whether they'd incur the cost. But if they wanted it bad enough, no brainer.
They'd only have to prosecute one airline pilot, with suitable publicity, and problem solved.
Might as well do it preemptively, hang up a scalp where the rest of the children can see it and realize they need to find a different immature game to amuse their infantile minds with and be done with it.
04-11-2018, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by gliderguider
One of the greatest safety tools this industry benefits from is anonymous self-disclosure and non-punitive monitoring of data FOQA/ASAP etc. To play along with your fantasy of CVR based discipline, handing out CVR tapes and other onboard data to a grab bag of entities just to satisfy your guard police fetish would have a major impact on industry safety, and undermine decades of reasearch and data gathering.
It could be argued that the FAA should t have come down so hard on those Delta 330 pilots who got distracted and overflew their destination. That was 100% unintentional.
This guard crap is very intentional. No excuse can be made. Drop the hammer on those stupid MFs
I have heard 3 real life emergencies messed up by these idiots. I have no patience with this crap. Anyone caught meowing or whatever on an emergency freq has no business in an airplane.
Permanent revocation would be good.
04-12-2018, 06:19 AM
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Does this sum it up pretty well? I fly in and out of the DC SFRA and it is a daily occurrence. I think the military guys get bored. 
https://youtu.be/DYCcaIelB_U
https://youtu.be/DYCcaIelB_U
04-12-2018, 07:01 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaKbZW0pqkM&t=124s
@ 2:06 during a tense military operation over disputed islands in the pacific some jackwagon give a cats meow. Coincidence that DL had just checked in @ :49?
@ 2:06 during a tense military operation over disputed islands in the pacific some jackwagon give a cats meow. Coincidence that DL had just checked in @ :49?
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