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Old 06-01-2018, 09:35 AM
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EVERY SINGLE PILOT NEEDS TO DO THIS!!

I'm sure there are a few "I stayed at a Holiday Inn" casual non-pilot outside observers who probably think this is no big deal, and there are certainly AI, aerospace and tech industry VC's looking to capitalize off of leading some new ill-advised aviation revolution. Their interest isn't safety - it's $$$.

We need to make it crystal clear in very easy to digest soundbites that two sets of expert eyes on scene in the flight deck, with their ability to rapidly recognize, react and adapt to near and far threats, whether cargo or passenger ops, is ESSENTIAL to the safety of the skies over everyone's heads.

Air travel is safe - extremely safe actually - here. In the U.S. In our system and in the others that follow our lead . But that fact is sort of astounding considering how complex it all is. That's because we pilots, as an "on-site" team constantly scan for and fix the myriad issues that come up in and around the aircraft. These 10-250million dollar near-mach machines break and malfunction in minor (and sometimes major) ways ALL OF THE TIME!

In a future scenario with one single person up there - who's perhaps firing on only 7 of 8 cylinders on a given day, who's not quite "fatigued", but slept in a noisy or poorly cooled hotel room, who perhaps argued with their spouse earlier that day or had a bad meal, something subtle that's missed over the course of a 2 or 8 hour flight is not going to be remotely caught and is not "remotely" sufficient to ensure safe flight. When there are two well trained experts, even if one is not at 100% that day, that combined safety net catches and addresses issues and keeps the flight safe - safe to the tune of zero fatalities over entire years. That's my idea of safety!

This part 121 safety exists because of CRM, rigorous training, and the 2 pilot crew.

There is 0 substitute for 2 pros on the flight deck!
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done, took 10 seconds tops.
Agreed. Input a form and hit enter. Even I can do that!
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Old 06-01-2018, 01:41 PM
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Done. Shared on all social media accounts too. The general public needs to know.
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Old 06-01-2018, 04:11 PM
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This is an ALPA email to your US Reps and Senators asking them to vote no against the new FAA reauthorization bill. The bill has a section that pushes for single pilot operations. If you want an airline career please fill it out. It takes seconds.

Action Needed?Tell Congress: "No Single-Pilot Aircraft"
LOL, once again, the union propaganda caught in a lie.


This provision in the bill doesn't grant single pilot ops, it merely researches it. Not even close to being able to grant single pilot ops.



That being said, this is part of why the 1500 hour rule is bad, because it makes entry level pilots more expensive to the companies. When that happens they will seek ways to get rid of single pilot ops.
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Old 06-01-2018, 04:21 PM
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The ALPA call-to-action certainly makes it sound like the sky is falling.
Yep, exactly. This is why the unions have no credibility, stunts like this.

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Some of us will be here well beyond 2030 so yeah it matters. If it ever gains any traction half of us will be reduced to “remote pilot” probably making a third of the money a first officer makes.
1- probably not. 2- the 1500 hour rule is accelerating automation because it makes entry-level pilots more expensive.
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Old 06-01-2018, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer View Post
LOL, once again, the union propaganda caught in a lie.


This provision in the bill doesn't grant single pilot ops, it merely researches it. Not even close to being able to grant single pilot ops.



That being said, this is part of why the 1500 hour rule is bad, because it makes entry level pilots more expensive to the companies. When that happens they will seek ways to get rid of single pilot ops.
I think we understand it’s research. I just don’t want my tax dollars used for anything single pilot related, even research.

And I hardly think a few first year 1500hr regional FOs making $50k as opposed to 250hrs and $20k is tipping the scales. What I can say is it’s certainly improved safety and as a nice byproduct, driven up wages a little for guys that deserve it.
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Old 06-01-2018, 07:39 PM
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Done. Yes, this is dangerous language and just like ATC privatization, is something that will not go away. It will be a continuous fight for the rest of our careers.
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Old 06-01-2018, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer View Post
Yep, exactly. This is why the unions have no credibility, stunts like this.

1- probably not. 2- the 1500 hour rule is accelerating automation because it makes entry-level pilots more expensive.
Automation isn't being developed because of the 1500 hour rule. It is being developed because it is cheap to do it.

But you wouldn't understand that because you have a permanent beef with what you perceive as unions keeping you out of the airlines. That's called being ignorant.
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Old 06-03-2018, 04:33 AM
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The technology is much further along than we have been led to beleive. Email your MEC chairmen about their closed door meeting with various government agencies recently. This is real and it is coming quicker than many have anticipated. We need to draw a very definitive line in the sand.
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