Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 2694920)
The above is simply not true. He will have no trouble finding pilots to staff the operation. He will offer a strong stock option package and wages well above the regionals. There are plenty of experienced pilots at the regionals who have a reason or two they are stuck there. They will flock to join Moxy.
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Originally Posted by CAirBear
(Post 2694552)
Given that this is not 10 years ago, by the time Moxy starts (24-36 months) he is going to have an extremely difficult time having an airline with anything other than competitive and legitimate pay rates. The days of offering some garbage (old Spirit contract) or current book Frontier are over. It’s not happening.
More and more regionals have “flows” to legacies and your not leaving unless it’s a very good job and commesurate with your Legacy job that’s “in the bag”. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2694979)
Unless they're stuck at a really bad regional, why risk it? Better wages maybe, but even more risky than a regional in the mid-term. Yeah there will always be people who will go, but a startup is going to be a lot of work. And again, they need LCA, sim guys, and people with certificate experience. The FAA simply won't let them do a startup with the dregs of the regional lifers.
As far as the FAA if the pilots can pass a check ride they are good to go. The only pilots even hired during the certification process will be management and check airman. |
Anyone have any latest greatest about Moxy? I'm curious as to how things turn out and develop. Not much info out there. Could be interesting.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2694832)
Yeah, he's not going to get away with going cheap on pilots, especially at a startup which needs smart, experienced people in the early days. Anybody who has startup captain qualifications has options (including possibly just staying at a comfortable regional).
We are our own worst enemy. The biggest obstacle (not saying it’s right or wrong) is our government. They allow a start up to offer $19 fares on a route that is another Airline’s bread and butter, and that’s ok, but if said airline offers $15 on the same route, that’s predatory pricing, and illegal. A start up can use their advantage (low cost structure) to under cut you, but you can’t use your advantage (volume and route structure) to defend your business. |
Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2694979)
Unless they're stuck at a really bad regional, why risk it? Better wages maybe, but even more risky than a regional in the mid-term. Yeah there will always be people who will go, but a startup is going to be a lot of work. And again, they need LCA, sim guys, and people with certificate experience. The FAA simply won't let them do a startup with the dregs of the regional lifers.
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
(Post 2694832)
Yeah, he's not going to get away with going cheap on pilots, especially at a startup which needs smart, experienced people in the early days. Anybody who has startup captain qualifications has options (including possibly just staying at a comfortable regional).
Will there be a bucket load of pilots busting down the door to go there? Nope. But there will be enough to fill classes. If not, you tweak the starting pay and incentives just enough to keep the classes full. |
When is the proposed startup date again? 2021? With all of the needed planning (including official brand name since Moxy was temporary), we probably won’t hear any details for another 6-12 months. I am interested to hear more about their model and how they will compete against the Legacies and LCCs....
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Originally Posted by David Puddy
(Post 2721954)
When is the proposed startup date again? 2021? With all of the needed planning (including official brand name since Moxy was temporary), we probably won’t hear any details for another 6-12 months. I am interested to hear more about their model and how they will compete against the Legacies and LCCs....
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
(Post 2720856)
I’m super early on in my career with no family obligations. I’d happily roll the dice on a startup because if it fails in 5 years I still have plenty of time to recover, and if it takes off I can retire early.
How's that for a run on sentence? |
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