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10-05-2021, 08:59 AM
#1731
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
Haha. Okay junior. Call me back when you have 25 years in the airline industry. You don't know what you don't know.
In the early days of the airlines, thats exactly what this would have been called. Read Flying The Line sometime. It should be required reading for anyone who wants to play airline pilot.
In the early days of the airlines, thats exactly what this would have been called. Read Flying The Line sometime. It should be required reading for anyone who wants to play airline pilot.
10-05-2021, 09:00 AM
#1732
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Originally Posted by Naviator
why wouldn’t a regional FO who gets called by Breeze but not called by mainline not compare Breeze to his current job? That’s the right comparison. Where I’m at versus where I have the option to go.
if you drive a 20 year old beater car and you want to replace it do you say no I don’t want the new Honda Civic because it’s not a BMW. I’ll keep my Ford Pinto because the Honda is not a BMW. that’s foolish.
if you drive a 20 year old beater car and you want to replace it do you say no I don’t want the new Honda Civic because it’s not a BMW. I’ll keep my Ford Pinto because the Honda is not a BMW. that’s foolish.
10-05-2021, 09:05 AM
#1733
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Originally Posted by Naviator
what is it $83 x 75
no per diem on reserve because no flying
-$300 per month crash pad
-$300 per month health insurance
-$125 ALPA
11 days off but commute on at least 4 of them.
bottom line = less than Breeze
no per diem on reserve because no flying
-$300 per month crash pad
-$300 per month health insurance
-$125 ALPA
11 days off but commute on at least 4 of them.
bottom line = less than Breeze
You list out commuting expenses and no per diem on rsv? I didn't realize that didn't apply to breeze too. I'll give you alpa, but everything else on your itemized list is irrelevant- as if everyone at Envoy is commuting and no one at breeze is.. whatever happened to your live in bonus? Min pay guarantee during training?
10-05-2021, 09:12 AM
#1734
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
You sound like a recruiter in management. I'm sure everyone sees your comments in the proper context.
https://www.qualtrics.com/experience...romoter-score/
10-05-2021, 09:14 AM
#1735
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Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger
I was getting at their bonuses.. 30k for captain or upgrade, 70k to flow, and another 50k paid out over 2 years...
You list out commuting expenses and no per diem on rsv? I didn't realize that didn't apply to breeze too. I'll give you alpa, but everything else on your itemized list is irrelevant- as if everyone at Envoy is commuting and no one at breeze is.. whatever happened to your live in bonus? Min pay guarantee during training?
You list out commuting expenses and no per diem on rsv? I didn't realize that didn't apply to breeze too. I'll give you alpa, but everything else on your itemized list is irrelevant- as if everyone at Envoy is commuting and no one at breeze is.. whatever happened to your live in bonus? Min pay guarantee during training?
no reserve lines at Breeze right now.
breeze is giving a commuting stipend now, to everyone.
10-05-2021, 09:16 AM
#1736
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I don't think Breeze is a scab airline. It doesn't exist to get around anyone else's labor contract etc etc.. it's just an airline sold to pilots as the next jetblue. And because of that, everyone is taking in the teeth on pay and benefits. Neeleman hasn't even delivered on the original value proposition.
10-05-2021, 09:21 AM
#1737
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Originally Posted by Naviator
actually given my responses the position from which I’m responding would be better referred to as promoter, not recruiter.
https://www.qualtrics.com/experience...romoter-score/
https://www.qualtrics.com/experience...romoter-score/
Filler.
10-05-2021, 09:24 AM
#1738
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Originally Posted by Naviator
nobody is flying the A220-300 yet. The pay scale will probably change 3-4 times before anyone earns hourly pay on that plane.
2) do you have pilots in 220 training? Yes.
3) does that make your rates relevant? Yes.
4) do you have a current rate for them? I think you do from what a buddy told me. I think it’s a blended rate (ie the same rate as your abysmal 190 rates).
please correct any of the above, as I don’t work there, just trying to get some info in case I want to put in an app there.
10-05-2021, 09:28 AM
#1739
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Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger
I don't think Breeze is a scab airline. It doesn't exist to get around anyone else's labor contract etc etc.. it's just an airline sold to pilots as the next jetblue. And because of that, everyone is taking in the teeth on pay and benefits. Neeleman hasn't even delivered on the original value proposition.
10-05-2021, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville
A non union startup aimed squarely at the unionized LCCs? A SkyWest with big planes? This sort of thing was discussed in great length in Flying the Line I and was always challenged or unionized. Long & Harmon, Century, and Texas Air come to mind.
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