Originally Posted by BeatNavy

Does breeze pay less for airplanes from Airbus because they are new? Do they pay less for fuel? Do they pay less to paint their airplanes than jetblue or southwest does? Do they pay less for catering? No…they pay market rate. The one thing they pay less for is labor. Why should they get a pass on that? If they aren’t a viable business if paying market rate for labor, then they deserve to fail and Trent Porter deserves to be unemployed. “Success” and growing while chipping away at market share from other airlines (that pay market rate for labor) while being subsidized by their own underpaid labor is garbage and nobody should support that, startup or not. Especially since pilots aren’t getting any equity in the company. If there were some IOUs (stock options, profit sharing, etc), it’d be different. There isn’t. Same goes for Avelo and any other garbage bottom feeder airline.

Originally Posted by Zerosilver84

New pay rates look much better

Originally Posted by David Puddy

Have you ever worked at a startup? Do you know how they work? I have experience working at startups and I never expected high starting wages - that’s not how it works. If people want to make more at the start, all of the legacies are hiring big time.

If Breeze can’t eventually get close to Legacy/LCC wages it will lose pilots who will get their desired wages elsewhere. It’s that simple. There won’t be enough Aussies to completely bail them out. Breeze will eventually have to pay more or watch pilots depart. Why anyone would expect Delta or JB wages at an airline startup in the first 12-18 months is beyond me. Those people should just skip the Breeze application and head straight to Delta, SWA or United. Good luck!

Originally Posted by Swakid8

One could argue that didn’t pay market rate for those A220s. They definitely got a nice discount on them as a early customer a long with Delta…..

Originally Posted by BeatNavy

So did delta and jetblue. Jetblue ordered them at the same time as breeze. The “market rate” at the time was what the early adopters paid. They had to sell them cheap or they wouldn’t be sold. They didn’t get a discount because they were a startup. They got it because they were early adopters.

Originally Posted by Swakid8

Still a discount….. I am not advocating for paying less. At the end of the day, they will have to increase compensation to attract talent.


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Originally Posted by BeatNavy

Yeah. I have. And I got equity in the company in exchange for working for no paycheck. That’s how it works. You don’t just underpay labor with no IOU. That’s not how it works.

Originally Posted by Swakid8

One could argue that didn’t pay market rate for those A220s. They definitely got a nice discount on them as a early customer a long with Delta…..

Originally Posted by fastneat

Our Jumpsest Agreement is now official with them. Starting tomorrow, they are available for us to list.

Someone was asking a week ago if we had an Agreement with them..