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01-09-2022 | 05:20 PM
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Does breeze pay less for airplanes from Airbus because they are new? Do they pay less for fuel? Do they pay less to paint their airplanes than jetblue or southwest does? Do they pay less for catering? No…they pay market rate. The one thing they pay less for is labor. Why should they get a pass on that? If they aren’t a viable business if paying market rate for labor, then they deserve to fail and Trent Porter deserves to be unemployed. “Success” and growing while chipping away at market share from other airlines (that pay market rate for labor) while being subsidized by their own underpaid labor is garbage and nobody should support that, startup or not. Especially since pilots aren’t getting any equity in the company. If there were some IOUs (stock options, profit sharing, etc), it’d be different. There isn’t. Same goes for Avelo and any other garbage bottom feeder airline.
If Breeze can’t eventually get close to Legacy/LCC wages it will lose pilots who will get their desired wages elsewhere. It’s that simple. There won’t be enough Aussies to completely bail them out. Breeze will eventually have to pay more or watch pilots depart. Why anyone would expect Delta or JB wages at an airline startup in the first 12-18 months is beyond me. Those people should just skip the Breeze application and head straight to Delta, SWA or United. Good luck!
01-09-2022 | 05:38 PM
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Have you ever worked at a startup? Do you know how they work? I have experience working at startups and I never expected high starting wages - that’s not how it works. If people want to make more at the start, all of the legacies are hiring big time.
If Breeze can’t eventually get close to Legacy/LCC wages it will lose pilots who will get their desired wages elsewhere. It’s that simple. There won’t be enough Aussies to completely bail them out. Breeze will eventually have to pay more or watch pilots depart. Why anyone would expect Delta or JB wages at an airline startup in the first 12-18 months is beyond me. Those people should just skip the Breeze application and head straight to Delta, SWA or United. Good luck!
If Breeze can’t eventually get close to Legacy/LCC wages it will lose pilots who will get their desired wages elsewhere. It’s that simple. There won’t be enough Aussies to completely bail them out. Breeze will eventually have to pay more or watch pilots depart. Why anyone would expect Delta or JB wages at an airline startup in the first 12-18 months is beyond me. Those people should just skip the Breeze application and head straight to Delta, SWA or United. Good luck!
01-09-2022 | 05:40 PM
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So did delta and jetblue. Jetblue ordered them at the same time as breeze. The “market rate” at the time was what the early adopters paid. They had to sell them cheap or they wouldn’t be sold. They didn’t get a discount because they were a startup. They got it because they were early adopters.
01-09-2022 | 06:41 PM
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01-09-2022 | 07:38 PM
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So did delta and jetblue. Jetblue ordered them at the same time as breeze. The “market rate” at the time was what the early adopters paid. They had to sell them cheap or they wouldn’t be sold. They didn’t get a discount because they were a startup. They got it because they were early adopters.
Still a discount….. I am not advocating for paying less. At the end of the day, they will have to increase compensation to attract talent.
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01-10-2022 | 01:38 AM
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Of course it’s a discount. Buying in bulk also gets you a discount on planes and fuel. Anyone can get a discount for a number of reasons-being new is not one of them. My point is not that they got a discount. My point is that nothing they buy/lease/otherwise pay for is discounted because of the fact that they are new…yet they want a pass on under paying labor…because they are new. Being a startup doesn’t entitle them to discounts on anything else…yet they claim they get a pass on their discounted labor. And I’m calling BS on that. Porter is just a cheapa$$ and Neeleman has never had to pay real market rate for pilots. Welcome to the shortage Dave and Trent. May your turnover be rapid and large.
01-10-2022 | 04:57 AM
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01-11-2022 | 05:56 AM
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The discount (if any) was the market rate at the time to be an early adopter. Do you think Breeze asked for the startup discount and Airbus just felt bad and cut them a deal just because?
01-11-2022 | 07:08 AM
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