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WHACKMASTER 12-07-2022 08:41 AM

Question for you folks at Breeze. I know you guys have 80 total firm orders on the A220s. What’s the delivery schedule on those like?

Also, how long is the wait for them if an airline placed an order for some today? Thanks.

bonvoyage 12-07-2022 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3545903)
Question for you folks at Breeze. I know you guys have 80 total firm orders on the A220s. What’s the delivery schedule on those like?

Also, how long is the wait for them if an airline placed an order for some today? Thanks.

One per month, but Airbus has had some delays in production. So I believe we will be 5 short of what Airbus promised by December 2023 (but we are getting 2 or 3 deliveries that a European carrier was going to get, so in reality we will only be 3 aircraft short in 12/23).

I couldn’t tell you about wait times if you ordered today. Airbus is moving Delta and JB production to France to allow the Mobile factory more deliveries for Breeze and Air Canada.

WHACKMASTER 12-07-2022 09:08 AM


Originally Posted by bonvoyage (Post 3545913)
One per month, but Airbus has had some delays in production. So I believe we will be 5 short of what Airbus promised by December 2023 (but we are getting 2 or 3 deliveries that a European carrier was going to get, so in reality we will only be 3 aircraft short in 12/23).

I couldn’t tell you about wait times if you ordered today. Airbus is moving Delta and JB production to France to allow the Mobile factory more deliveries for Breeze and Air Canada.

Thanks for the reply. Btw, what’s the long term plan with the E-Jets?

bonvoyage 12-07-2022 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3545929)
Thanks for the reply. Btw, what’s the long term plan with the E-Jets?

We don’t know. Probably charter. Neeleman said he wants to fund growth and XLR’s by doing charter. E190s were never supposed to be here to begin with, it was a on-the-spot idea during Covid when so many popped up for cheap, and the A220 production was delayed.

UNDGUY 12-07-2022 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by bonvoyage (Post 3545913)
Airbus is moving Delta and JB production to France to allow the Mobile factory more deliveries for Breeze and Air Canada.

Where did you hear this?

bonvoyage 12-07-2022 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by UNDGUY (Post 3546069)
Where did you hear this?

From Airbus.

UNDGUY 12-07-2022 05:04 PM

If it speeds up deliveries I'm all for it. I thought the point of the Mobile factory was to avoid tariffs or something like that.

sailingfun 12-07-2022 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by UNDGUY (Post 3546069)
Where did you hear this?

There are currently two production sites for the A220. One in Mobil and one in Canada. There are no plans to open a site up in Europe. The mobile site was set up for Delta for several reasons including duties and taxes. Most Delta deliveries will originate in Mobile. The aircraft has so far not been a strong performer for Delta and dispatch reliability is not meeting expectations.

bonvoyage 12-07-2022 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3546309)
There are currently two production sites for the A220. One in Mobil and one in Canada. There are no plans to open a site up in Europe. The mobile site was set up for Delta for several reasons including duties and taxes. Most Delta deliveries will originate in Mobile. The aircraft has so far not been a strong performer for Delta and dispatch reliability is not meeting expectations.

Ok maybe what I was told is incorrect. I was told Airbus would be moving a portion of the production to France. Either way, reliability is an issue

I was inverted 12-07-2022 07:26 PM

I heard jetblue was potentially going to take some from Mirabel due to mobile having production issues (both delivery timeline and QC). Not sure how accurate that is.


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