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shortspatula 12-20-2022 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by Rcordeiro122592 (Post 3555228)
how does the bidding work? I have 3700tt 800121 time and 900hours of creditable time from a 135 operator, is the upgrade requirements based on the 121 min?

You need 1500 hours 121 time to upgrade but it looks like they might lower it soon or just go on case by case basis based on internal pilot recommendations.

dera 12-20-2022 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 3555840)
17 days on the road straight isn’t common unless you bid that type of line. Which there weren’t many of them. They usually gone senior as well. Looking more like 6 to 10 days on. Mostly day time flying, 1 to 2 legs per day. The main drawback of the 737 was the pay.

737 has a bunch of 19 days off lines this month. It looks like a cush gig.

iflyufly 12-20-2022 01:52 PM

With major communication (crew scheduling, payroll) issues, paychecks being incorrect often, no real movement on common pilot issues, disregard for the pilot playbook, inconsistent and rapid schedule changes with you guessed it.... no prior communication and a half-sincere "sorry" from the company (January in CHS), no stock incentives as the company heads toward IPO, and increasing wages and established ops at other airlines (not just regionals/majors), why do pilots choose to stay at Breeze? This is a genuine question - looking for genuine answers. Is the QOL really not that bad? Do most pilots live in base? Pay? Thanks!

Learjet FO 12-21-2022 12:06 AM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 3555839)
Do you fly the Lear at CPK?

No, I got my Lear time at PHF (L3 now Aery aviation has the contract) doing sea skimming mock attacks on Navy warships, towing targets, LOTS of formation flying (YES FORMATION), and yanking and banking with the best out of Oceana (within limitations of course). I even flew at RED FLAG! TBH, I applied for that gig for sh!ts and giggles expecting a winged military aviator to get the job. Lots of government contractor work out of PHF. If we get screwed by another recession, you'll know where to find me.

Braniff DC8 12-21-2022 07:28 AM

Every airline
 
iflyufly, every airline is (or has for sure) the same problems you have described. If you join a start-up, these things are inevitable. Southwest had a ton of problems when they first started, go read nuts or that book about the history of the airline business. Remember Braniff, Eastern and Pan Am-Gone!

I can’t figure out why people complain about the very thing they get involved in knowing the looooonnnng history and act surprised by it. If you think the grass is greener ANYWHERE you’d be mistaken. AA has so much debt, they’re next I’m telling you. Delta you say, just went through some tough labor issues. United just signed another agreement with a regional. Did someone say scope? Oh no Breeze is the worst, not even close!

Wait till the next big war or disease when you get a 33% pay cut, thrown on the street AND the airlines beg for more bail out. What a skipping record honestly.

So, you either know what you’ve gotten yourself into or you live under a rock either way stop whining about it. It’s been like this for like 90 years in this business. Go to medical school if you have the acumen.

Not an attack just a reality check.

ImSoSuss 12-21-2022 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by Braniff DC8 (Post 3556837)
iflyufly, every airline is (or has for sure) the same problems you have described. If you join a start-up, these things are inevitable. Southwest had a ton of problems when they first started, go read nuts or that book about the history of the airline business. Remember Braniff, Eastern and Pan Am-Gone!

I can’t figure out why people complain about the very thing they get involved in knowing the looooonnnng history and act surprised by it. If you think the grass is greener ANYWHERE you’d be mistaken. AA has so much debt, they’re next I’m telling you. Delta you say, just went through some tough labor issues. United just signed another agreement with a regional. Did someone say scope? Oh no Breeze is the worst, not even close!

Wait till the next big war or disease when you get a 33% pay cut, thrown on the street AND the airlines beg for more bail out. What a skipping record honestly.

So, you either know what you’ve gotten yourself into or you live under a rock either way stop whining about it. It’s been like this for like 90 years in this business. Go to medical school if you have the acumen.

Not an attack just a reality check.

Aa HaS sO mUcH dEbT

cool story, btw United it about to surpass them in that department.

Despite the problems, almost every other Major is a better option and provides more stability then Breeze. Although I am sure your Union is working hard to improve things.....oh wait

BobbyLeeSwagger 12-21-2022 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by Braniff DC8 (Post 3556837)
. If you think the grass is greener ANYWHERE you’d be mistaken.

It's greener by a lot. I nearly replaced my relative seniority in 1 yr after leaving, made more in my first yr as an FO than what i would have had as a breeze captain. Plus, I got to the left seat before my seat lock would have expired anyway. No commuting on divvy cards either... Others who left and took early opportunities for greener pastures have had very similar experiences at other bases.

your assertion is ridiculous when it comes to the opportunities available at this particular time. No offense.

But the username checks ✔️

shortspatula 12-21-2022 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by ImSoSuss (Post 3556963)
Aa HaS sO mUcH dEbT

cool story, btw United it about to surpass them in that department.

Despite the problems, almost every other Major is a better option and provides more stability then Breeze. Although I am sure your Union is working hard to improve things.....oh wait

What do you mean oh wait? ALPA was voted in. There’s tons of options out there definitely but the ones coming to breeze have specific reasons like seniority or bases. Me personally I don’t feel like going back down to the bottom and being a number again at the big corporations. Yea there’s seniority movement even at the legacies now but they probably can’t beat the seniority movement here either. Pay rates at least are acceptable, we are at least frontier/spirit pay but improvements coming. With the recent pay raises at delta and JetBlue and I’m sure others coming soon, they will have to increase compensation again if they want to have pilots for all the planes coming.

bonvoyage 12-21-2022 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by shortspatula (Post 3556981)
What do you mean oh wait? ALPA was voted in. There’s tons of options out there definitely but the ones coming to breeze have specific reasons like seniority or bases. Me personally I don’t feel like going back down to the bottom and being a number again at the big corporations. Yea there’s seniority movement even at the legacies now but they probably can’t beat the seniority movement here either. Pay rates at least are acceptable, we are at least frontier/spirit pay but improvements coming. With the recent pay raises at delta and JetBlue and I’m sure others coming soon, they will have to increase compensation again if they want to have pilots for all the planes coming.

You can’t argue with people on APC. Just let them act like they are getting the win in the argument and move on. I remember sitting standby reserve in the crew room, commuting and being away from home 15+ nights a month. You gotta do something to make yourself “feel” superior.

I find it fascinating that so many people come on the Breeze forum and try and convince Breeze pilots that it’s so bad. This is my third airline, and BY FAR the best QOL and money for the little amount of work it is. All we do is fly an airplane for a job. You think I’d be better off 1 or 2 leg commuting to some giant city I don’t wanna even be in, overnighting places I don’t want to overnight, and flying with old crusty captains I don’t want to fly with? All for what? Maybe 5 years down the road “break even” to what I’m making now?? Where will breeze be at by then? What if the age 70 law passed? How’s all that seniority list movement gonna look for you at UAL/DAL/AA? Guess what, I’ve seen it first hand to a family member when it went to 65, you’re gonna stagnate. For a LONG time. I’ll never come on here and say someone went wrong for going to a legacy, but let’s keep our head out of our as$es and understand all we do is fly a plane for a living. You think making 275k a year, rather than 250k is really gonna push you over the edge?

ImSoSuss 12-21-2022 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by bonvoyage (Post 3556991)
You can’t argue with people on APC. Just let them act like they are getting the win in the argument and move on. I remember sitting standby reserve in the crew room, commuting and being away from home 15+ nights a month. You gotta do something to make yourself “feel” superior.

I find it fascinating that so many people come on the Breeze forum and try and convince Breeze pilots that it’s so bad. This is my third airline, and BY FAR the best QOL and money for the little amount of work it is. All we do is fly an airplane for a job. You think I’d be better off 1 or 2 leg commuting to some giant city I don’t wanna even be in, overnighting places I don’t want to overnight, and flying with old crusty captains I don’t want to fly with? All for what? Maybe 5 years down the road “break even” to what I’m making now?? Where will breeze be at by then? What if the age 70 law passed? How’s all that seniority list movement gonna look for you at UAL/DAL/AA? Guess what, I’ve seen it first hand to a family member when it went to 65, you’re gonna stagnate. For a LONG time. I’ll never come on here and say someone went wrong for going to a legacy, but let’s keep our head out of our as$es and understand all we do is fly a plane for a living. You think making 275k a year, rather than 250k is really gonna push you over the edge?


Cool stories bro!! Please tell us more!


Originally Posted by bonvoyage (Post 3556991)
You gotta do something to make yourself “feel” superior.

Kind of like telling someone their airline if about to go bankrupt?


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