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Happyflyer 08-17-2018 08:02 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz Clearance (Post 2655416)
Captain has angry white man syndrome written all over his face, which lacks any understanding expression and tone completely missing the slightest hint of customer service courtesy.

He is speaking to her as if she is a child, a prisoner in a jail, or a troop under his command.

I think there is an intersectionality of racism, sexism and patriarchy here he wouldn't talk to a grown man that way of any race. And yes the passengers are getting more entitled these days with smartphones and ******* fake service animals. I have a good dozen years Captain time (Commuter and Majors)I wouldn't engage with them anymore unless they are already beating somebody up in the cabin.

Have you been around many AA women?
I've witnessed plenty treat each other with the MOST disrespect.
I only wish that's how I've seen many talk to their children. Let's have "the" conversion, many AA women scold their children much worse in public before snatching them around by one arm.
I've heard, "I'am bout to act my color" more times than anyone should have too.
Have you ever been to a dollar store in the south? Do you just type this garabage from your gated community?

FlyyGuyy 08-18-2018 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by Cruz Clearance (Post 2655416)
Captain has angry white man syndrome written all over his face, which lacks any understanding expression and tone completely missing the slightest hint of customer service courtesy.

He is speaking to her as if she is a child, a prisoner in a jail, or a troop under his command.

I think there is an intersectionality of racism, sexism and patriarchy here he wouldn't talk to a grown man that way of any race. And yes the passengers are getting more entitled these days with smartphones and ******* fake service animals. I have a good dozen years Captain time (Commuter and Majors)I wouldn't engage with them anymore unless they are already beating somebody up in the cabin.

Found the racist...

jDSTJD 08-18-2018 08:19 PM


Originally Posted by Happyflyer (Post 2657294)
Have you been around many AA women?
I've witnessed plenty treat each other with the MOST disrespect.
I only wish that's how I've seen many talk to their children. Let's have "the" conversion, many AA women scold their children much worse in public before snatching them around by one arm.
I've heard, "I'am bout to act my color" more times than anyone should have too.
Have you ever been to a dollar store in the south? Do you just type this garabage from your gated community?

Please don't do that. I am an African American woman and while there are some who act the way you've described, there are plenty who are totally not like that. How does your post and it's characterization of black women have anything to do with his post or this thread? Did you just have a spur of the moment urge to throw your stereotypical comment out there because you think that someone gave you the opportunity? I can't believe that out of all of the varieties of afr. Amer. Women out there that you would choose that characterization to make your point (whatever it is)? I happen to disagree with his post but it's hard to be critical of his when you follow it up with this b.s.

busdriver12 08-19-2018 06:05 AM


Originally Posted by jDSTJD (Post 2657765)
Please don't do that. I am an African American woman and while there are some who act the way you've described, there are plenty who are totally not like that. How does your post and it's characterization of black women have anything to do with his post or this thread? Did you just have a spur of the moment urge to throw your stereotypical comment out there because you think that someone gave you the opportunity? I can't believe that out of all of the varieties of afr. Amer. Women out there that you would choose that characterization to make your point (whatever it is)? I happen to disagree with his post but it's hard to be critical of his when you follow it up with this b.s.

Yes. +1

It is sadly ironic that someone who is irritated about a post stereotyping people refutes it by a post stereotyping other people.:confused:

hilltopflyer 08-19-2018 07:36 AM


Originally Posted by jDSTJD (Post 2657765)
Please don't do that. I am an African American woman and while there are some who act the way you've described, there are plenty who are totally not like that. How does your post and it's characterization of black women have anything to do with his post or this thread? Did you just have a spur of the moment urge to throw your stereotypical comment out there because you think that someone gave you the opportunity? I can't believe that out of all of the varieties of afr. Amer. Women out there that you would choose that characterization to make your point (whatever it is)? I happen to disagree with his post but it's hard to be critical of his when you follow it up with this b.s.

I’m guessing cause the post he quoted talking about the over inflated ego centric amgry white captain was talking to an angry black lady. And they did make a movie about that, so the issue should be with Tyler perry. But I agree with your point. I think race should just not be even said it makes no difference in a situation

Deathwish 08-19-2018 07:56 AM

I thought he was talking about the women at American Airlines. Ha

jDSTJD 08-19-2018 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by hilltopflyer (Post 2657886)
I’m guessing cause the post he quoted talking about the over inflated ego centric amgry white captain was talking to an angry black lady. And they did make a movie about that, so the issue should be with Tyler perry. But I agree with your point. I think race should just not be even said it makes no difference in a situation

Are you saying that my issue should be with Tyler Perry? (Not being sarcastic, just want to make sure I understand your statement). If so, don't get me started on my opinion on Tyler Perry. Had I been able to tell him how rediculous I thought his making that movie would be before he made it, or how rediculous the movie was once he made it, I would have, not that he would have cared less about my opinion. I take the same issue with that stupid movie and I take with the post. It grossly mischaracterizes (what I believe to be) most black women. And then others of us have to go out there and fight to break down the stereotypes that people like him create. And on top of that, the movie had nothing to do with black women in particular. Any woman would have been angry/hurt/humiliated, etc. by what her husband did to her. Anyway, whole lot of digression going on in here. Getting back to the original article and the comments here about whether Tamar was angry or beligerant or otherwise deserved to be treated like that by the captain, unless I missed it, there isn't any footage that shows what she said or did before he started chastising her. The only thing we heard her say on the video was try to interject to explain herself which was very calm and it sounded like she was kind of in shock. The only other thing you heard was her friend sitting next to her saying that she thought they should get off the plane. So I don't see anger to justify the characterization of an angry black lady and I don't see the captain being overtly or subtly racial in his statements. I would have been embarrassed and ticked off had I been the one he was talking to but that would be true if anyone had spoken to me like that. Point is that I don't think anyone here can say definitively that Tamar deserved that treatment or that the Captain had racial motivations behind the way he talked to her. No one knows. Athe original post, I thought, was focused on whether the captain should have come out of the cockpit to deal with the situation at all. There have been great, insightful opinions offered throughout the thread on that, but the ones that brought race into it we're unfounded and unnecessary. The fact the the article talked about Tamar's sister's accusations about it being a racial issue was irrelevant to the original poster's thread.

Happyflyer 08-20-2018 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by jDSTJD (Post 2657765)
Please don't do that. I am an African American woman and while there are some who act the way you've described, there are plenty who are totally not like that. How does your post and it's characterization of black women have anything to do with his post or this thread? Did you just have a spur of the moment urge to throw your stereotypical comment out there because you think that someone gave you the opportunity? I can't believe that out of all of the varieties of afr. Amer. Women out there that you would choose that characterization to make your point (whatever it is)? I happen to disagree with his post but it's hard to be critical of his when you follow it up with this b.s.

Well I'am glad to explain myself, I never stated most act that way. I did state what I have personally observed living in the South.
If you truly believe it is untrue than you haven't spent much time in the South around AA women regardless if you happen to be one.
The post I responded to was immediately accusing the CA of being an "angry White man", as if this condition has been seen before and is detectable by himself, or the "victim" in the video.
No one knows why he chose the words he used or the tone he presented.
So, to state is was because he was any "angry white man", is just an opinion.
I countered his opinion with the fact that AA women do speak disrespectfully to each other on a regular enough basis to debunk his opinion of "angry white man syndrome" because clearly that syndrome doesn't apply to them.
The narrative that a white man speaking disrespectfully to a non-white is only due to their inherent racism is false, and it is false because non-whites can and do speak to non-whites disrespectfully.

The poster may have some ground to stand on if this CA were at Macdonald's treating an employee like this way about his mishandled order that had too many pickles on it.

But no, a CA driving a 100k lb tube 160mph down a runway with 40k lb of flammable jet fuel in the wings, and some costumer decides they do not need to follow the rules, I'am sorry frustration is plausible other than white man racism.
It was completely absurd to suggest it's because he's rasist, without knowing what the rest of his day was like.
This job is mostly easy, but we've all had difficult days regarding, Mel's, weather, release, ATC. He is an airline Captain and should not have been bothered with her behavior, he also could have have said everything he said with a smile on his face.
Jumping to race is a terribale reflection of this country, of the accusers and the racist.

galleycafe 08-20-2018 02:35 PM

I just realized AA women meant African American women.

I thought you guys were saying American Airlines women.

I was so confused.

More Plane Coffee!

Happyflyer 08-20-2018 03:59 PM

jDSTJD,

I do apologize for my earlier post and characterization. I responded incorrectly to a post I took offense too.
I do believe a senecio could exist where the CA was in the wrong and the lady was in the right, and that still does not make his motivations race related. I do think, white men, can be wrong and speak out of turn, and still not be a racist.
The original post I believe was about CA behavior until the other poster made it about white man behavior.


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