Another self-righteous pilot makes the news
 

Tamar Braxton Gets ?Ridiculed By A Pilot For Flying While Black On Delta,? According To Video Posted By Her Sister Towanda | Celebrity Insider

Why oh why are we still going In the back to talk to disruptive passangers? Stay in the flight deck and to leave. Call someone who is trained to handle it.

Christ, people! Just stay in the damn cockpit (flight deck, whatever the hell you want to call it) and shut the door. You're guaranteed to stay off YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, etc that way! Let Customer Service handle it. It's not the 1960s anymore!

And...of course, he had his hat.

Not a race issue. Captain Cartman requires people of all colors to respect his authoriTAY.

And what preceded that interaction? Was she causing a scene? Did she ask to speak with the captain?? I highly doubt the captain went down the isle looking for the first black woman to harass?

There are no shortage of captains out there that shy away from throwing their title around. Especially at Delta.

Without the context of the interaction, anyone that's asserting the captain was in the right, or in the wrong, is doing so ignorantly.

Ha, “MY flight attendants work for me.”

I'm not saying he's right or he's wrong, but we all know how this ends. In this day and age, stay in your seat and shut the cockpit door. Stay the hell off the cameras!

I agree, don’t leave the cockpit, but assuming the passenger was not obeying the fa instructions I have no problem with what he said or how he said it. Definitely nothing racist in that video.

I wouldn’t go back there just cause of this I’d juat kick her off the plane. It’s very simple. Tell your ground security person you aren’t flying the plane with her on board since she clearly isn’t listening to the FAs

Are you on drugs? Do you have a clue about what actually happened?

The captain was wrong for not letting/making the ground staff handle this.
The clock doesn't start until the plane moves or door is closed, so he was working for free.

The Captain is the final authority on if a passengers rides. He is required at Delta to be involved. That is why they are paid 9 or 10 times what a gate agent gets paid. If your flight attendants tell you they have a disruptive passenger who is not following instructions and your answer is I will not get involved your working relationship with the crew is non existent. The gate agent is however going to show up at the cockpit where you are hiding and ask if you want the passenger to remain on board or be removed. What are you going to base your answer on after hiding?

"Just another black person making a scene, and acting like they deserve special treatment, then becoming self righteously indignant after being called out for it"

Fixed the title of that article for you

No he is required to call for a red coat to deal with disruptive passengers. Getting involved is NOT his job at Delta

So true. EVERY thing is about race now a days. I doubt the captain at Delta airlines of all places would make it a point to single someone out just because they were being black. If said individual just behaved like a civilized human being I doubt the captain woulda said anything.

Never have done that. Never will.

Didn’t do it before cellphone cams, certainly not about to start now.

That’s a very important point .

These clips are always posted without context. There is no way this ever comes out good for the crew.

Our airline tells us to get someone trained to deal with the situation. I would imagine his does too. Bet capt gets to do a little carpet dance.

Captain’s authority doesn’t mean the authority to be a dumbass.

Just another entitled millennial gibbs me dat looking for a payday and 15 minutes of fame.

True to some extent.

1. Get story from flight attendant
2. Assuming the flight attendant isn’t on a power trip and inflaming an otherwise benign situation, call ops for a supervisor to remove a pax on behalf of the pic.
3. Ops confirms seat number or supervisor pokes head in Flight deck to confirm when they arrive.
4. Supervisor removes pax while you continue your preflight duties
5. If pax refuses to leave then supervisor calls LE or pokes in again and asks if you’ll call for them.

At no point do you need to engage the pax.

If during step one if you are 99% sure from hearing the FAs story that it’s probably the FA that is the problem you can try to diffuse them in the Flight deck. If they don’t yield speak to another FA and get a second account. If it corroborates the story from the fist FA then proceed with step 2. If the story from the second FA does not match the first then try to diffuse the first one again. If they do not then offer for them to be replaced. Only go down that road if you are absolutely sure the FA is probably the problem. Otherwise take their word for it and have the pax removed. There is no point where this requires engaging the pax

I agree with Qots.

My job is to fly the plane. I have not gone through the hours and days of touchy-feely training that the airline conflict officers have been through. I leave all that work up to them.

I don’t move bags from the cart to the cargo bin.

I don’t fix a failed igniter.

I don’t fuel the airplane.

I fly the plane. When the airplane is ready to leave, let me know and I’ll do my job.

And then you'll end up on YouTube.

It's 2018, in this climate there is no reason for any pilot ever to leave his seat to deal with a passenger on the ground. It's not our job, it's not our responsibility and we certainly aren't trained to. There are however people whom are and they should be the ones that deal with these things.

Some pilots like the internet exposure though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI-ONN1yfVA

Any thoughts on how this could bode for one's career? I'm personally not criticizing this guy but it doesn't seem wise.

I gather you don’t work at Delta. If you do I would review your procedures. The first line in those procedures states the Captain will make the final decision on the removal of any passenger.
You will also find redcoats only at the larger domestic stations.

Each airline may have different procedures. At Delta it is the Captains job and he is required to make the final decision on the carriage of any passenger.

I gather you don’t read the logbook or do preflight inspections either. That’s maintenances area of responsibility.

He is correct and you are correct. CA does have final decision, but the CRO should be called BEFORE CA makes final decision.

I thought the captain handled himself well here. The captain is the inflight security coordinator not the CRO, and if she wants to fly, must obey orders delegated from him. He's simply giving her a stern warning if she wants to continue on the flight, which she was allowed to. Total nothing-burger...

So when there's an issue with a passenger at the gate. It's the Captain's job to go deal with the passenger directly? I don't know about you, but I can still have the rest of my crew involved, along with having a passenger removed, without leaving my seat. This is why there are GSC (at the gate) and supervisors to deal with passengers at the gate. You can still be a Captain and having the final say if a passenger stays on or get off, but confronting the passengers directly is something I wouldn't do.

The captain has the final authority at every airline. I can make that call without engaging the pax. I make the decision. GSC enforces that decision.

Btw I have zero issue with this captain’s words and I have no idea why it became a race issue. I can tell you he wouldn’t be on the Internet if he hadn’t gone back there.

The CA was firm and professional. Instead of just kicking her off, he gave her a way to stay on and make the flight. We live in an age where a simple well worded admonishment to behave can’t be handled.

Having been involved in several of these incidents in the last 3 years the first question you will be asked once everyone is conferenced in is what was the demeanor of the passenger when you spoke to them Captain?

I'm sorry but this is awful. Yes it is true that these recent news stories about black passengers acting rediculous on flights, and the fact that the stories keep happening it seems one after another, does not make "us" (black people/African Americans, whichever you want to pick) look good, this doesn't mean that there are only black people acting loony on flights and having to have flight crews take remedial action. The conflicts involving non-black crazies just don't appear to be as newsworthy because of the sensationalism race related incidents. So it gives the impression that it's just "blacks acting self righteously indignant after being called out for it". I cringe when I see this stuff because it looks bad but the condescending way you posted this is, in my opinion, beneath the intelligence and professional stature that I admire(d) you all for.

Fine, but why does that require the captain to leave his seat?

Removed multiple people. People just don’t know how to act when leaving Vegas I guess. Never been asked about it by anyone

To make a intelligent and educated choice on if the passenger needs to be deplaned.

We're all missing one thing. If she'd have had Captain George, callsign Hollywood, this never would have happened. In all her travels, he would be EXACTLY the Captain that she has been looking for.

A late flight on Friday to Vegas from the east coast is always a guarantee to have issues with passengers, so i've seen many. Our job (where I work) is to call the CRO and have them deal with the passengers. If they need my final judgement then i'll give it, after talking to the flight attendants and CRO. There's nothing that states I have to deal with the passengers directly. Why would anyone ask me about the demeanor of the passengers when I wasn't the one that was involved with the passenger directly?:confused:

This was made about race, the title of the article was saying that she was thrown off because she was "flying while black" has nothing to do with that. This is happening more and more these days. People are using their race to turn this around on others.

^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS x 100000000000!

I'm OK with what this captain did. He probably didn't wanna bother filling out paperwork, so a simple stroll down the aisle.

How friggin' difficult is it to follow instructions??!