Originally Posted by jDSTJD (Post 2644814)

I'm sorry but this is awful. Yes it is true that these recent news stories about black passengers acting rediculous on flights, and the fact that the stories keep happening it seems one after another, does not make "us" (black people/African Americans, whichever you want to pick) look good, this doesn't mean that there are only black people acting loony on flights and having to have flight crews take remedial action. The conflicts involving non-black crazies just don't appear to be as newsworthy because of the sensationalism race related incidents. So it gives the impression that it's just "blacks acting self righteously indignant after being called out for it". I cringe when I see this stuff because it looks bad but the condescending way you posted this is, in my opinion, beneath the intelligence and professional stature that I admire(d) you all for.

Originally Posted by EMBFlyer (Post 2644831)

We're all missing one thing. If she'd have had Captain George, callsign Hollywood, this never would have happened. In all her travels, he would be EXACTLY the Captain that she has been looking for.

Originally Posted by Slaphappy (Post 2644836)

This was made about race, the title of the article was saying that she was thrown off because she was "flying while black" has nothing to do with that. This is happening more and more these days. People are using their race to turn this around on others.

Originally Posted by jDSTJD (Post 2644850)

Yes I get what you're saying but it was Tamar's sister who put the incident in the context of race and the article took on that spin. My point is that regardless of the spin put on it by a third party, it's up to others who should know better to draw the distinction between media sensationalism and reality...or at least be more objective. Is it you all's reality after flying for multiple years, some even decades, that only black people act indignant and beligerant to the extent that they must be thrown off planes? If not, why buy into this crap? I just found it offensive and disappointing that the person I quoted took that particular attitude.

Originally Posted by IwasInverted (Post 2644694)

I agree, don’t leave the cockpit, but assuming the passenger was not obeying the fa instructions I have no problem with what he said or how he said it. Definitely nothing racist in that video.

Originally Posted by hilltopflyer (Post 2644697)

I wouldn’t go back there just cause of this I’d juat kick her off the plane. It’s very simple. Tell your ground security person you aren’t flying the plane with her on board since she clearly isn’t listening to the FAs

Originally Posted by Floobs (Post 2644743)

And then you'll end up on YouTube.

It's 2018, in this climate there is no reason for any pilot ever to leave his seat to deal with a passenger on the ground. It's not our job, it's not our responsibility and we certainly aren't trained to. There are however people whom are and they should be the ones that deal with these things.

Originally Posted by jDSTJD (Post 2644850)

Yes I get what you're saying but it was Tamar's sister who put the incident in the context of race and the article took on that spin. My point is that regardless of the spin put on it by a third party, it's up to others who should know better to draw the distinction between media sensationalism and reality...or at least be more objective. Is it you all's reality after flying for multiple years, some even decades, that only black people act indignant and beligerant to the extent that they must be thrown off planes? If not, why buy into this crap? I just found it offensive and disappointing that the person I quoted took that particular attitude.

Originally Posted by Slaphappy (Post 2644871)

As of late it seems that black people are portrayed as victims in the media regardless if they are or not more than in a negative light in this situations.

Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2644874)

Really? Can you give us some other examples?

Originally Posted by Glenntilton (Post 2644875)

Did you read the rest of his post?

Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2644874)

Really? Can you give us some other examples?

Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2644874)

Really? Can you give us some other examples?

Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2644874)

Really? Can you give us some other examples?

Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2644874)

Really? Can you give us some other examples?

Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2644874)

Really? Can you give us some other examples?

Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2644874)

Really? Can you give us some other examples?

Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2644874)

Really? Can you give us some other examples?

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2644781)

Each airline may have different procedures. At Delta it is the Captains job and he is required to make the final decision on the carriage of any passenger.

Originally Posted by CrispyBacon (Post 2644854)

Sounds to me like your just a black apologist. This "story" was made racial from the beginning. I didn't do that. And I am sick of blacks making "offensive and disappointing" quotes, news stories and titles and then sitting on a high horse. These women and the news staff are the racists here. plain and simple.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2644709)

The Captain is the final authority on if a passengers rides. He is required at Delta to be involved. That is why they are paid 9 or 10 times what a gate agent gets paid. If your flight attendants tell you they have a disruptive passenger who is not following instructions and your answer is I will not get involved your working relationship with the crew is non existent. The gate agent is however going to show up at the cockpit where you are hiding and ask if you want the passenger to remain on board or be removed. What are you going to base your answer on after hiding?

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2644781)

Each airline may have different procedures. At Delta it is the Captains job and he is required to make the final decision on the carriage of any passenger.

Originally Posted by Fr8Thrust (Post 2645146)

Anyone else get a chuckle that he brought his hat with him?

Originally Posted by jDSTJD (Post 2644973)

What?? How did anything I said make me a black apologist? I don’t even know what that means. If you actually read what I said you will see that most of what I said was in agreement that the behavior of a lot of the people in these stories is redicilous and I do not support the claims of racism. Or that’s what I thought I wa saying. I don’t remember at this point. But in any event, all I’m trying to say is that regardless of the stories that are repeatedly on the news highlighting these racism claims when black people have these encounters people with sense should be able to decipher between that garbage and the reality of what happens everyday on flights across the country which is that the vast majority of the time blacks people aren’t acting any more belligerent than anyone else but it is these incidents that make the news because of the racism component which is intended to have the clear effect it is having on people like you. I just think you should not let yourself get as ****ed as you are about it. I also don’t think your post changing the title of the thread was necessary since the article clearly showed that it was some other person making the claim, Tamars Sister, not even her or the articles author! But whatever. The last thing I want or need is to have an argument online with an anonymous person whom I will never meet. I just hope that your animous toward blacks based on you being so “sick of us” doesn’t carry out into your treatment of us in public when you’re flying and interacting with the public.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2644862)

That said, CA dude may have been senior enough to not give a rip (ie able to retire to his satisfaction later this week if necessary)..

Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 2645110)

I think the Captain made a big mistake by not fist pumping with her at the end. If at the end he'd been like "aight, put it there 👊" it would have been all good. :cool:

Originally Posted by Ray Red (Post 2645111)

If there is a pax issue that needs to be addressed in the cabin ask yourself what the best outcome would be if you leave the cockpit and what the worst outcome would be. How about the same questions if you stay in the cockpit and expand your team and coordinate with people that are trained in this type of stuff.

Knowing that if you go back it WILL be on YouTube should make the decision very easy.

Originally Posted by KSwift76 (Post 2645193)

Based in this video, he was extremely condescending and I may talk to a child like that, but certainly not an adult. To be fair, he probably would have spoken like that to anyone, Black or White. It was condescending and if she was triggered to believe that race was involved the dynamic of White man in power vs. Black female and the historical context of that should be considered. Had someone spoken to my wife or daughter like that we would have a problem (granted we don't know what transpired and my family knows how to act in public).

Originally Posted by CBreezy (Post 2645186)

This article is such a non-event that it rightfully showed up on a non-news click bait site.

Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2645208)

Am I the only one who has no idea who this lady is?

Originally Posted by crewdawg (Post 2645208)

Am I the only one who has no idea who this lady is? Either way, the person who posted this video is clearly race baiting.

I've been the FO on flights with pax issues and I've never see it so bad that a Captain had to go to the back and deal with it directly. If he was back there, I'm inclined to believe that she was not listening to the FAs. I have however been in the back as a pax, before I was an airline pilot, where someone was causing a scene with the FAs. Then when the Captain came back was all compliant and saying she did nothing wrong, etc... To be honest, we were all hoping he'd toss her off. Phone cameras weren't a big thing yet.



Then again, there is nothing in this video that is even remotely close to a fireable offense.



:D I love this! But what if she had left him hanging...then it's just awkward and then he'd be accused of being even further "uncool."



This is like doing flybys, especially big primetime events, in the AF. AT BEST, you did your job correctly, hit the TOT and noone says a thing. At worst you lose your wings. The "in between" is missing the TOT because ATC calls out a random bug smasher, or the band plays at half speed, the singer sings 2x faster than stated, both started late, etc.... Zero sum game! Just be the ground guy, take pictures with the cheerleaders, stand on the sidelines and take all the glory.



Your last sentence says it all....your family knows how to act in public, thus wouldn't be in this situation. For a Captain to come back and talk to her leads me to believe that she does not. If someone is acting like a child then speak to them like one, if they're acting like an adult he likely wouldn't be back there.

Originally Posted by KSwift76 (Post 2645225)

If it is that bad that he felt the need to go back and speak to anyone in that tone... and the aircraft is still at the gate, the agent,CSO,GSC redcoat...or whatever your airline calls it should handle it. Yeah Yeah Yeah...I get it, you're the the Captain and all but... I'm the in flight security coordinator. We have ground security coordinators for issues at the gate.

Originally Posted by KSwift76 (Post 2645225)

And while I don't know their finances(they appeared to be in coach), there's a good chance the make considerably more than all of us if they are on reality TV. Her sister's music was great. Not to keen on her though and would not recognize her if she rang my door bell. I think she is pretty popular though with young to youngish Black folks. I'm Black but a little out of that age range or care. I've heard of her though and she is famousish😀.

Originally Posted by jcountry (Post 2645147)

Heard a good story relative to the hat:

Former NWA pilot walking down the hall. No hat....
CP sees him and makes a beeline across the hall

“Hey, capt-where’s your hat?”

“In my bag...”

“Why aren’t you wearing it?”

“It’s too small for my head.”

“Why don’t you get a new one?”

“Because it would be too big for my bag.”

Turns around and walks off ;)

Originally Posted by CrispyBacon (Post 2644712)

"Just another black person making a scene, and acting like they deserve special treatment, then becoming self righteously indignant after being called out for it"k

Fixed the title of that article for you