Another self-righteous pilot makes the news
08-20-2018, 05:05 PM
#161
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Joined APC: May 2018
Posts: 107
Originally Posted by Happyflyer
jDSTJD,
I do apologize for my earlier post and characterization. I responded incorrectly to a post I took offense too.
I do believe a senecio could exist where the CA was in the wrong and the lady was in the right, and that still does not make his motivations race related. I do think, white men, can be wrong and speak out of turn, and still not be a racist.
The original post I believe was about CA behavior until the other poster made it about white man behavior.
I do apologize for my earlier post and characterization. I responded incorrectly to a post I took offense too.
I do believe a senecio could exist where the CA was in the wrong and the lady was in the right, and that still does not make his motivations race related. I do think, white men, can be wrong and speak out of turn, and still not be a racist.
The original post I believe was about CA behavior until the other poster made it about white man behavior.
08-20-2018, 06:00 PM
#163
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Posts: 3,228
Originally Posted by galleycafe
I just realized AA women meant African American women.
I thought you guys were saying American Airlines women.
I was so confused.
More Plane Coffee!
I thought you guys were saying American Airlines women.
I was so confused.
More Plane Coffee!
Originally Posted by Deathwish
I thought he was talking about the women at American Airlines. Ha
08-20-2018, 07:04 PM
#165
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Joined APC: May 2014
Posts: 1,681
Originally Posted by galleycafe
I just realized AA women meant African American women.
I thought you guys were saying American Airlines women.
I was so confused.
More Plane Coffee!
I thought you guys were saying American Airlines women.
I was so confused.
More Plane Coffee!
This is the dumbest thread in the history of the internet. It’s making us all retarded.
08-22-2018, 07:50 AM
#166
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[QUOTE=jcountry;2656987]This is so simple.
Just don’t get involved.
Going back and trying to talk sense to crazy will not result in any good outcome, ever.
Just stay out of it-and do only your job.
Problem with your theory is, the Captain is in charge of EVERYTHING that happens on the jet. So, if in his expert opinion, his intervention was needed, then that’s his call to make. “Stay in your lane” type comments may work for some work groups, but not when it’s your show(the Captain’s). Perhaps you’re not in our industry, and do not understand the legal responsibility the Captain has, so your ignorance is understandable.
Just don’t get involved.
Going back and trying to talk sense to crazy will not result in any good outcome, ever.
Just stay out of it-and do only your job.
Problem with your theory is, the Captain is in charge of EVERYTHING that happens on the jet. So, if in his expert opinion, his intervention was needed, then that’s his call to make. “Stay in your lane” type comments may work for some work groups, but not when it’s your show(the Captain’s). Perhaps you’re not in our industry, and do not understand the legal responsibility the Captain has, so your ignorance is understandable.
08-22-2018, 01:22 PM
#167
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Joined APC: May 2014
Posts: 1,681
[QUOTE=Guppydriver95;2659797]
You are confusing operational control with emergency authority.
When the pax cause a big problem in flight, that can become an emergency. Clearly, the capt can and should deal with that.
At the gate, not only does the capt have no business back there, he/she technically doesn’t have operational control. Most airlines let it slide, but when the plane is at the gate and the door is open, the capt is not in charge.
The company/gate/dispatch still have authority at that point.
Stay out of it. Captain’s authority has nothing to do with these gate situations-any more than it has to do with some fight in a terminal restroom.
Don’t come crying to me when you are the next social media incident everyone is laughing at on late night shows.
Stay the **** out of the back. There be dragons
Originally Posted by jcountry
This is so simple.
Just don’t get involved.
Going back and trying to talk sense to crazy will not result in any good outcome, ever.
Just stay out of it-and do only your job.
Problem with your theory is, the Captain is in charge of EVERYTHING that happens on the jet. So, if in his expert opinion, his intervention was needed, then that’s his call to make. “Stay in your lane” type comments may work for some work groups, but not when it’s your show(the Captain’s). Perhaps you’re not in our industry, and do not understand the legal responsibility the Captain has, so your ignorance is understandable.
Just don’t get involved.
Going back and trying to talk sense to crazy will not result in any good outcome, ever.
Just stay out of it-and do only your job.
Problem with your theory is, the Captain is in charge of EVERYTHING that happens on the jet. So, if in his expert opinion, his intervention was needed, then that’s his call to make. “Stay in your lane” type comments may work for some work groups, but not when it’s your show(the Captain’s). Perhaps you’re not in our industry, and do not understand the legal responsibility the Captain has, so your ignorance is understandable.
When the pax cause a big problem in flight, that can become an emergency. Clearly, the capt can and should deal with that.
At the gate, not only does the capt have no business back there, he/she technically doesn’t have operational control. Most airlines let it slide, but when the plane is at the gate and the door is open, the capt is not in charge.
The company/gate/dispatch still have authority at that point.
Stay out of it. Captain’s authority has nothing to do with these gate situations-any more than it has to do with some fight in a terminal restroom.
Don’t come crying to me when you are the next social media incident everyone is laughing at on late night shows.
Stay the **** out of the back. There be dragons
08-22-2018, 04:15 PM
#168
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,261
[QUOTE=jcountry;2660095]
You are confusing operational control with emergency authority.
When the pax cause a big problem in flight, that can become an emergency. Clearly, the capt can and should deal with that.
At the gate, not only does the capt have no business back there, he/she technically doesn’t have operational control. Most airlines let it slide, but when the plane is at the gate and the door is open, the capt is not in charge.
The company/gate/dispatch still have authority at that point.
Stay out of it. Captain’s authority has nothing to do with these gate situations-any more than it has to do with some fight in a terminal restroom.
Don’t come crying to me when you are the next social media incident everyone is laughing at on late night shows.
Stay the **** out of the back. There be dragons
This is correct. If the door is open, the CA's auth-or-itay is technically limited to programing the box and loading fuel. That's a technicality which is often disregarded, but if things get real ugly they will hold you to the letter of the law.
Originally Posted by Guppydriver95
You are confusing operational control with emergency authority.
When the pax cause a big problem in flight, that can become an emergency. Clearly, the capt can and should deal with that.
At the gate, not only does the capt have no business back there, he/she technically doesn’t have operational control. Most airlines let it slide, but when the plane is at the gate and the door is open, the capt is not in charge.
The company/gate/dispatch still have authority at that point.
Stay out of it. Captain’s authority has nothing to do with these gate situations-any more than it has to do with some fight in a terminal restroom.
Don’t come crying to me when you are the next social media incident everyone is laughing at on late night shows.
Stay the **** out of the back. There be dragons
08-22-2018, 04:44 PM
#169
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 1,013
[QUOTE=jcountry;2660095]
You are confusing operational control with emergency authority.
When the pax cause a big problem in flight, that can become an emergency. Clearly, the capt can and should deal with that.
At the gate, not only does the capt have no business back there, he/she technically doesn’t have operational control. Most airlines let it slide, but when the plane is at the gate and the door is open, the capt is not in charge.
The company/gate/dispatch still have authority at that point.
Stay out of it. Captain’s authority has nothing to do with these gate situations-any more than it has to do with some fight in a terminal restroom.
Don’t come crying to me when you are the next social media incident everyone is laughing at on late night shows.
Stay the **** out of the back. There be dragons
Demonstrably false. The FOM is clear. From the time the Captain signs the release, until he releases the crew after block in, it’s his/her show. This was codified years ago, shortly after the merger. You’re free to disagree, but you would be wrong.
Originally Posted by Guppydriver95
You are confusing operational control with emergency authority.
When the pax cause a big problem in flight, that can become an emergency. Clearly, the capt can and should deal with that.
At the gate, not only does the capt have no business back there, he/she technically doesn’t have operational control. Most airlines let it slide, but when the plane is at the gate and the door is open, the capt is not in charge.
The company/gate/dispatch still have authority at that point.
Stay out of it. Captain’s authority has nothing to do with these gate situations-any more than it has to do with some fight in a terminal restroom.
Don’t come crying to me when you are the next social media incident everyone is laughing at on late night shows.
Stay the **** out of the back. There be dragons
Demonstrably false. The FOM is clear. From the time the Captain signs the release, until he releases the crew after block in, it’s his/her show. This was codified years ago, shortly after the merger. You’re free to disagree, but you would be wrong.
08-23-2018, 07:46 AM
#170
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Joined APC: May 2014
Posts: 1,681
[QUOTE=Guppydriver95;2660269]
Demonstrably false. The FOM is clear. From the time the Captain signs the release, until he releases the crew after block in, it’s his/her show. This was codified years ago, shortly after the merger. You’re free to disagree, but you would be wrong.
Go ahead and break up that fight in the terminal restroom. (Which is exactly the same as getting involved in a gateway altercation.)
Skycop a situation outside of the cockpit and come back here to tell us how it turned out.
Can’t wait to see how long you got suspended.
This is not hard stuff. Going back and getting involved in anything is not our job, and constitutes just about the most brain-dead thing any pilot can ever do.
Originally Posted by jcountry
Demonstrably false. The FOM is clear. From the time the Captain signs the release, until he releases the crew after block in, it’s his/her show. This was codified years ago, shortly after the merger. You’re free to disagree, but you would be wrong.
Skycop a situation outside of the cockpit and come back here to tell us how it turned out.
Can’t wait to see how long you got suspended.
This is not hard stuff. Going back and getting involved in anything is not our job, and constitutes just about the most brain-dead thing any pilot can ever do.
Last edited by jcountry; 08-23-2018 at 08:03 AM.
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