Regional flow programs-good idea or bad?
08-01-2018, 10:18 AM
#51
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Originally Posted by jcountry
I thought we were talking about mainline training.
If someone is really that big of an idiot, seems like they would have issues with probation at mainline.
I flew with a couple of 30k hour guys at my regional who I wouldn’t trust to dust a lamp shade without starting a house fire somehow.
Those guys are out there, and no matter what experience level, those few never seem to get better.
If someone is really that big of an idiot, seems like they would have issues with probation at mainline.
I flew with a couple of 30k hour guys at my regional who I wouldn’t trust to dust a lamp shade without starting a house fire somehow.
Those guys are out there, and no matter what experience level, those few never seem to get better.
08-04-2018, 10:30 PM
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I'm amazed at the elitist attitudes many of you have in the pax flying world. Perhaps you should all take a pause and self reflect on your crappy bus driver job, flying a slightly larger regional jet, living the same crappy lifestyle as a regional guy with a few more days off and a bigger paycheck? From where I sit, I have to tell you that your crap also stinks.
Yes, I fly for Kalitta on the 747(save you the time of looking up my post history) and I seriously do not understand where your elitist attitudes come from? Highly selective hiring process? How about you have a strict training program that washes people out left and right instead? Wouldn't that be a more valid way of being selective, rather than who can please the HR clowns?
Yes, I fly for Kalitta on the 747(save you the time of looking up my post history) and I seriously do not understand where your elitist attitudes come from? Highly selective hiring process? How about you have a strict training program that washes people out left and right instead? Wouldn't that be a more valid way of being selective, rather than who can please the HR clowns?
08-04-2018, 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
I'm amazed at the elitist attitudes many of you have in the pax flying world. Perhaps you should all take a pause and self reflect on your crappy bus driver job, flying a slightly larger regional jet, living the same crappy lifestyle as a regional guy with a few more days off and a bigger paycheck? From where I sit, I have to tell you that your crap also stinks.
Yes, I fly for Kalitta on the 747(save you the time of looking up my post history) and I seriously do not understand where your elitist attitudes come from? Highly selective hiring process? How about you have a strict training program that washes people out left and right instead? Wouldn't that be a more valid way of being selective, rather than who can please the HR clowns?
Yes, I fly for Kalitta on the 747(save you the time of looking up my post history) and I seriously do not understand where your elitist attitudes come from? Highly selective hiring process? How about you have a strict training program that washes people out left and right instead? Wouldn't that be a more valid way of being selective, rather than who can please the HR clowns?
08-05-2018, 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Ed Force One
"Guaranteed job at a major?"
I had a "guaranteed" job at a major when I got hired at Continental Express in 1999. (For $18/hr, not 39, BTW) And we all know what happened there. (I'm not bitter, honest, just providing an example.)
These flow through agreements are nothing more than a carrot on a string. I suppose it's nice to know it's there as an insurance policy of sorts, but don't stop updating your resume elsewhere.
I had a "guaranteed" job at a major when I got hired at Continental Express in 1999. (For $18/hr, not 39, BTW) And we all know what happened there. (I'm not bitter, honest, just providing an example.)
These flow through agreements are nothing more than a carrot on a string. I suppose it's nice to know it's there as an insurance policy of sorts, but don't stop updating your resume elsewhere.
08-05-2018, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Fleet Warp
Those guys are at every company and probably roughly equal distribution from every training back ground. To even imply otherwise is both silly and only serves to muddy the issues.
The two I’m thinking of were real bad, and had loooong histories of doing idiotic stuff in real life. They were both hired at a very early time in the airline. I’m fairly certain neither one would make it through probation (even at any regional) today.
We are talking real idiots. One eventually got fired because he beat up his F.O. Inflight.
And yes. I do believe majors give a little more scrutiny during probation, in general.
Last edited by jcountry; 08-05-2018 at 05:43 AM.
08-05-2018, 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by jcountry
I’m not so sure.
The two I’m thinking of were real bad, and had loooong histories of doing idiotic stuff in real life. They were both hired at a very early time in the airline. I’m fairly certain neither one would make it through probation (even at any regional) today.
We are talking real idiots. One eventually got fired because he beat up his F.O. Inflight.
The two I’m thinking of were real bad, and had loooong histories of doing idiotic stuff in real life. They were both hired at a very early time in the airline. I’m fairly certain neither one would make it through probation (even at any regional) today.
We are talking real idiots. One eventually got fired because he beat up his F.O. Inflight.
08-05-2018, 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Fleet Warp
hahaha. MH did that. You have to wonder if the fab 5 were always so fabulous...
And, God.... What a ****ing retard, on so many levels. Only through the grace of God that he didn’t make a smoking hole somewhere. I remember his dumb ass arguing about how there wasn’t really ice in the clouds. Forget icing criteria, he thought he was smarter than all the engineers. He had this crazy ass theory that ice couldn’t adhere above some TAS, and at certain altitudes. Ice was “fake news” to him anyhow.... “ Never got deiced in the brasilia, because blah and blah and whatever.” Tip of the iceberg with him.
He was crazy as a bedbug. I heard about him breaking up with some chick. They were living together at the time. He took all of her family heirlooms, pics, yearbooks, etc etc and threw them in the basement. Turned on a garden hose, threw it in there and went to work. Destroyed his house to mess up her stuff. What a true idiot! And just as big of a damned fool in the plane.
Can you imagine someone that ****ing stupid making it through probation anywhere? I guess they didn’t have it when he was new.
Last edited by jcountry; 08-05-2018 at 05:49 AM.
08-05-2018, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
I'm amazed at the elitist attitudes many of you have in the pax flying world. Perhaps you should all take a pause and self reflect on your crappy bus driver job, flying a slightly larger regional jet, living the same crappy lifestyle as a regional guy with a few more days off and a bigger paycheck? From where I sit, I have to tell you that your crap also stinks.
Yes, I fly for Kalitta on the 747(save you the time of looking up my post history) and I seriously do not understand where your elitist attitudes come from? Highly selective hiring process? How about you have a strict training program that washes people out left and right instead? Wouldn't that be a more valid way of being selective, rather than who can please the HR clowns?
Yes, I fly for Kalitta on the 747(save you the time of looking up my post history) and I seriously do not understand where your elitist attitudes come from? Highly selective hiring process? How about you have a strict training program that washes people out left and right instead? Wouldn't that be a more valid way of being selective, rather than who can please the HR clowns?
08-05-2018, 11:24 AM
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The biggest problem with flow programs is the decline in quality of new hires. Mainline companies have extremely selective standards and hire only top quality candidates. Regionals on the other hand, will take anyone that can fog a mirror and holds a pilot certificate. I actually dread going to work when I see I'm paired up to fly with a new guy because I have no idea what I'm gonna get. Most have been pretty decent, but I've flown with some characters that just ****ing wore me out. I'm by no means a super Sully, but I can wrestle my little RJ around for a few days without setting off a stick shaker or plowing through massive thunderstorm.
A flow may not be bad as long as it has some strict barriers in place such as no one over forty, no more than ten years at a regional, absolutely no training failures or disciplinary issues, etc.
A flow may not be bad as long as it has some strict barriers in place such as no one over forty, no more than ten years at a regional, absolutely no training failures or disciplinary issues, etc.
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