AA or UA or SW
09-24-2018, 01:59 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
Just to even out the list. Jesus. The FO side is like a freaking pimple ready to pop right now. The November vacancy is a sad reminder of how overmanned we are. I cannot wait to see the DRO list for November!
Captains, meanwhile, are still able to crush premium on the weekends and still get rerouted and have trips extended on the regular. It has to even out at some point.
Captains, meanwhile, are still able to crush premium on the weekends and still get rerouted and have trips extended on the regular. It has to even out at some point.
09-24-2018, 02:56 PM
#42
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That is the silver lining of the whole thing for sure. Legacy manning equals legacy reserve utilization.
It sucks for guys who like to trip trade and play the open time game, though, which is a big part of the secret sauce here. I would like to see it swing back towards equilibrium.
It sucks for guys who like to trip trade and play the open time game, though, which is a big part of the secret sauce here. I would like to see it swing back towards equilibrium.
09-24-2018, 07:04 PM
#43
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
I work for SWA. You really can’t go wrong with any of your choices.
SWA - unparalleled flexibility and amazing QOL and/or income potential living in a mega base.
AA - holy seniority movement...financials not as good as other carriers but your job is basically furlough proof due to retirements.
UA - decent seniority movement and the ability to switch between wide and narrow body flying. The most wide body flying of any major carrier and a huge base in ORD that goes fairly junior.
I envy your decision. Best of luck.
SWA - unparalleled flexibility and amazing QOL and/or income potential living in a mega base.
AA - holy seniority movement...financials not as good as other carriers but your job is basically furlough proof due to retirements.
UA - decent seniority movement and the ability to switch between wide and narrow body flying. The most wide body flying of any major carrier and a huge base in ORD that goes fairly junior.
I envy your decision. Best of luck.
But that term "furlough proof" (AA) beckons DP's last comment on never recording a loss again. I know, that would take an unmitigated catastrophe to happen. Live and learn...
09-25-2018, 03:08 AM
#44
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
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Originally Posted by sherpster
I turned down swa after seeing my friends schedule for 4 months. He had been at swa almost 2 yrs and it was every weekend. Not one weekend off. Everyone is on the 737 he explained and you are competing with the entire seniority list and the only desirable attribute is weekdays. Company is awesome and every pax loves swa but that weekends forever deal didnt appeal to me. Maybe I screwed up but I wont know for a few years.
09-25-2018, 03:30 AM
#45
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Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna
I have 3 weekends off this month, which is my 6th month flying the line at SWA.
At SWA schedule flexibility is great......as long as you want to work more or are in the top 10% in your seat and can get trips that others will actually pick up from you. There is no straight “drop”.
Last edited by WHACKMASTER; 09-25-2018 at 03:51 AM.
09-25-2018, 03:52 AM
#46
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
At SWA schedule flexibility is great......as long as you want to work more or are in the top 10% in your seat and can get trips that others will actually pick up from you. There is no straight “drop”.
09-25-2018, 04:20 AM
#47
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
Of course. It is September when our block hours are very low. Try that in the summer being junior in your seat.
At SWA schedule flexibility is great......as long as you want to work more or are in the top 10% in your seat and can get trips that others will actually pick up from you. There is no straight “drop”.
At SWA schedule flexibility is great......as long as you want to work more or are in the top 10% in your seat and can get trips that others will actually pick up from you. There is no straight “drop”.
09-25-2018, 04:55 AM
#48
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I think what’s going on is that the FO’s side is and was so over staffed that guys were desperate to pick up. Premium was at a, well.....premium.
ELITT is a beautiful thing......until the red days hit on the weekends. Then you’re stuck with your weekend trips.
Good on you guys if you were able to get some weekends off being relatively junior. I just don’t want the people reading this to think that that’s the norm.
Let’s see if that’s an option for the junior FOs next summer after they upgrade 400+ in the first half of the year (a good “problem” to have).
ELITT is a beautiful thing......until the red days hit on the weekends. Then you’re stuck with your weekend trips.
Good on you guys if you were able to get some weekends off being relatively junior. I just don’t want the people reading this to think that that’s the norm.
Let’s see if that’s an option for the junior FOs next summer after they upgrade 400+ in the first half of the year (a good “problem” to have).
09-25-2018, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
I think what’s going on is that the FO’s side is and was so over staffed that guys were desperate to pick up. Premium was at a, well.....premium.
ELITT is a beautiful thing......until the red days hit on the weekends. Then you’re stuck with your weekend trips.
Good on you guys if you were able to get some weekends off being relatively junior. I just don’t want the people reading this to think that that’s the norm.
Let’s see if that’s an option for the junior FOs next summer after they upgrade 400+ in the first half of the year (a good “problem” to have).
ELITT is a beautiful thing......until the red days hit on the weekends. Then you’re stuck with your weekend trips.
Good on you guys if you were able to get some weekends off being relatively junior. I just don’t want the people reading this to think that that’s the norm.
Let’s see if that’s an option for the junior FOs next summer after they upgrade 400+ in the first half of the year (a good “problem” to have).
This is a prime example of how a discussion can shed a lot more light on a situation than contract comparison table could ever do.
Could someone quickly explain ELITT and red days at SW
Also for those at the other two, how drops and reserve day trades work AA and UA, first hand knowledge.
I'm sure many are benefitting from this discussion
