Question Dignity and Respect?
#41
#42
I'm sorry if I offend anybody or generalize but I don't have the past knowledge and experience like you guys have in aviation since I'm in my 20s and only 440tt
But in my opinion LCC pilots are the present scabs of the industry. I hate to see how these pilots (especially B6 pilots) diminish our career by accepting not representation and in contrast accepting contracts that drive down the salaries and work rules of the industry. And the most funny and sad at the same time is accepting to clean the airplane after each flight. (I know many of you are familiar with the famous blue gloves).
So LCCescapee please look your back before you look someones else's.
But in my opinion LCC pilots are the present scabs of the industry. I hate to see how these pilots (especially B6 pilots) diminish our career by accepting not representation and in contrast accepting contracts that drive down the salaries and work rules of the industry. And the most funny and sad at the same time is accepting to clean the airplane after each flight. (I know many of you are familiar with the famous blue gloves).
So LCCescapee please look your back before you look someones else's.
A piece of advice from one 20 something to another....don't make statements about things you don't understand. Please don't bring that kind of attitude to the regionals because it just makes the rest of us look like idiots. There are so many young regional pilots who talk about denying jumpseats..etc...I personally was 2 years old when the CAL strike was going on so I guess I'll keep my mouth shut and try to make good decisions within my career without worrying about things that happened while I was still pooping yellow in a diaper.
P.S. I'd be very careful with the word "scab"
#44
For a 10 year anniversary I received a really neat 5x7 and 2 inches thick clear lucite picture frame with a 10 year recognition award in the mail . Really nice frame, so I peeled the award out and put a picture of my kids in it, sits on the business desk. It was nice to get that for my 10 year recognition. I am going to ask for an 8x10 lucite frame for my 20 year anniversary. Tacky, but I didn't want to toss a neat picture frame out. They also send us birthday cards every year!
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Hey, I remember when my grandfather and dad use to get a "five year" pin to wear on their ties at Pan Am and American. I was thinking "cool! this is what I get when I work my a$$ off for five years!?! Wow!"
#48
For those of you who have made hooked on phonics comments. When I initially posted this thread in my hurry to post during a spell check I inadvertently changed anniversary to university. I noticed the mistake right after I posted but unlike CAL FORUMS I could not find an edit button to correct my mistake.
I have written the following letter to my EWR chief pilot and forwarded it to my union leadership. Again this isn't about me personally but how as a whole we are all treated especially by a company that preaches dignity and respect.
At least I have the balls to post my name can not say the same for those of you who take shots.
Fred,
I understand someone forwarded you some information that I had posted regarding how I received my twenty-year service pin . After a few days of cooling off, I thought it would only be appropriate for me to write you personally since I posted the text below on CAL Forums and forwarded the post to my union leadership. What upsets me most about the way I was given my twenty-year pin isn't how I am treated personally as an individual pilot but, rather, how, as a whole, my peers are treated and the overall degradation of display of respect for our pilot group from flight operations management over the years. The words “dignity and respect” truly ring hollow to me these days.
This morning I spoke to Captain XXXX XXXX who flew his retirement trip yesterday. I learned that no one met him or said anything to him when he landed in Newark. I have heard this has occurred at the end of many of our pilots’ recent retirement flights. I remember you had quite a large retirement party in the terminal on your final flight. While I certainly understand this year is our largest pilot retirement year and it is very difficult to have a ceremony for every retiring pilot, something, even the small gesture of meeting the flight, personally shaking the retiring pilot’s hands and congratulating him or her on service is the right thing to do.
I have never worn any of my service pins, but this year was to be different and I really was going to proudly wear my twenty-year pin on my uniform.
The lack of respect for retiring pilots and the way I was given my twenty-year pin has left such a bad taste in my mouth that I have decided to give the pin to my daughter as she asked for it. I will just wear an extra ALPA pin on my uniform where I would have worn my Continental service pin.
Fred, this isn't a personal grudge I have with you personally, over the years you have always been professional, quite personable, and very nice to me. I will continue as I always do to be a consummate professional doing my job and treating my fellow co-workers with dignity and respect. However, as someone who has spent almost half his life working for Continental and hopefully will continue to work for at least another eighteen and a half years, I have to say I am quite disappointed with our corporate culture.
While it may have just been an honest mistake or oversight in both Captain XXXX XXXXX retirement flight and in the way I was given my twenty-year pin, the fact that this has happened to not just the two of us, but to many of my peers makes me believe that there is a problem with the system.
I recommend that if you are going to continue with the service retirement and pin ceremonies you have the proper specific procedures in place to give dignity to the recipient.
Having you or one of your assistant chief pilots personally come out to thank the pilot and shake the pilot’s hand in both these ceremonies would be sincerely appreciated.
Sincerely,
Captain Jayson Baron
POSTED ON CALFORUMS
"Dignity and Respect?
Is it me or do I have a right to feel slighted and once again slapped in the face by the company?
April 13 was my twenty-year anniversary with Continental. A week or so ago I had a form letter in my v-file stating how great an employee I was and how I was to be recognized for my hard word etc, etc, etc, and at the bottom it wasn't signed but in a females hand writing the name ROB was neatly printed where the letter should have been signed. I know Rob Pulvino is in training but you mean to tell me one of the other assistants or Fred Stantovich couldn't sign the letter?
Then, on Thursday I went in to the Chief Pilot’s office to pick up my pin. I asked one of the secretaries about my pin, with food in her month she motioned to me to wait while she washed her hands. She then when into Rob's office, found the box, and handed it to me and congratulated me on my service. Not that I don't appreciate the EWR CPO office staff but was this a totally classless act and slap in the face or is it just me?
I was pretty upset when it happened and I just left the office but Henry Craig and Fred Stankovich were both in their offices."
I have written the following letter to my EWR chief pilot and forwarded it to my union leadership. Again this isn't about me personally but how as a whole we are all treated especially by a company that preaches dignity and respect.
At least I have the balls to post my name can not say the same for those of you who take shots.
Fred,
I understand someone forwarded you some information that I had posted regarding how I received my twenty-year service pin . After a few days of cooling off, I thought it would only be appropriate for me to write you personally since I posted the text below on CAL Forums and forwarded the post to my union leadership. What upsets me most about the way I was given my twenty-year pin isn't how I am treated personally as an individual pilot but, rather, how, as a whole, my peers are treated and the overall degradation of display of respect for our pilot group from flight operations management over the years. The words “dignity and respect” truly ring hollow to me these days.
This morning I spoke to Captain XXXX XXXX who flew his retirement trip yesterday. I learned that no one met him or said anything to him when he landed in Newark. I have heard this has occurred at the end of many of our pilots’ recent retirement flights. I remember you had quite a large retirement party in the terminal on your final flight. While I certainly understand this year is our largest pilot retirement year and it is very difficult to have a ceremony for every retiring pilot, something, even the small gesture of meeting the flight, personally shaking the retiring pilot’s hands and congratulating him or her on service is the right thing to do.
I have never worn any of my service pins, but this year was to be different and I really was going to proudly wear my twenty-year pin on my uniform.
The lack of respect for retiring pilots and the way I was given my twenty-year pin has left such a bad taste in my mouth that I have decided to give the pin to my daughter as she asked for it. I will just wear an extra ALPA pin on my uniform where I would have worn my Continental service pin.
Fred, this isn't a personal grudge I have with you personally, over the years you have always been professional, quite personable, and very nice to me. I will continue as I always do to be a consummate professional doing my job and treating my fellow co-workers with dignity and respect. However, as someone who has spent almost half his life working for Continental and hopefully will continue to work for at least another eighteen and a half years, I have to say I am quite disappointed with our corporate culture.
While it may have just been an honest mistake or oversight in both Captain XXXX XXXXX retirement flight and in the way I was given my twenty-year pin, the fact that this has happened to not just the two of us, but to many of my peers makes me believe that there is a problem with the system.
I recommend that if you are going to continue with the service retirement and pin ceremonies you have the proper specific procedures in place to give dignity to the recipient.
Having you or one of your assistant chief pilots personally come out to thank the pilot and shake the pilot’s hand in both these ceremonies would be sincerely appreciated.
Sincerely,
Captain Jayson Baron
POSTED ON CALFORUMS
"Dignity and Respect?
Is it me or do I have a right to feel slighted and once again slapped in the face by the company?
April 13 was my twenty-year anniversary with Continental. A week or so ago I had a form letter in my v-file stating how great an employee I was and how I was to be recognized for my hard word etc, etc, etc, and at the bottom it wasn't signed but in a females hand writing the name ROB was neatly printed where the letter should have been signed. I know Rob Pulvino is in training but you mean to tell me one of the other assistants or Fred Stantovich couldn't sign the letter?
Then, on Thursday I went in to the Chief Pilot’s office to pick up my pin. I asked one of the secretaries about my pin, with food in her month she motioned to me to wait while she washed her hands. She then when into Rob's office, found the box, and handed it to me and congratulated me on my service. Not that I don't appreciate the EWR CPO office staff but was this a totally classless act and slap in the face or is it just me?
I was pretty upset when it happened and I just left the office but Henry Craig and Fred Stankovich were both in their offices."
#49
FWIW - My dad retired from CAL about seven years ago. He spent about 39 years with them and his last 5 years were spent flying out of GUM. His last flight was met with fire trucks spraying and red lights flashing. It was amazing. They had a huge party for him at The Top of The Mar. I think it was becasue he was on GUM and he was well liked by all. Maybe people should go to GUM
. Oh by the way - he can't spell either!!! But he is a great pilot!
. Oh by the way - he can't spell either!!! But he is a great pilot!
Last edited by thestableone; 04-21-2007 at 09:01 AM. Reason: SPELLING :)
#50
It's not about me being sensitive, it is about all the BS they mouth at our airline about dignity and respect etc etc.
Like Prater says it's time to take it back, not just at CAL the entire industry. It's not just about pay and benefits as a whole in our industry Captain's authority and overall respect for all pilots has gone down the toilet. One contract at a time we do need to take it back. Do you think this would have happened thirty years ago? Don't fall into the trap and allow our careers to continue to be degraded just because it seems in todays world it's acceptable or the norm.
I do my job today as I did yesterday and I will do tomorrow as a professional. I don't take this issue to seriously it is what it is but it is a slap in the face never the less and it motivates me even more to job my union job and help our pilots negotiate a real contract 08.
Like Prater says it's time to take it back, not just at CAL the entire industry. It's not just about pay and benefits as a whole in our industry Captain's authority and overall respect for all pilots has gone down the toilet. One contract at a time we do need to take it back. Do you think this would have happened thirty years ago? Don't fall into the trap and allow our careers to continue to be degraded just because it seems in todays world it's acceptable or the norm.
I do my job today as I did yesterday and I will do tomorrow as a professional. I don't take this issue to seriously it is what it is but it is a slap in the face never the less and it motivates me even more to job my union job and help our pilots negotiate a real contract 08.
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