Question Dignity and Respect?
04-14-2007 | 12:22 PM
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Amen!
It's not about me being sensitive, it is about all the BS they mouth at our airline about dignity and respect etc etc.
Like Prater says it's time to take it back, not just at CAL the entire industry. It's not just about pay and benefits as a whole in our industry Captain's authority and overall respect for all pilots has gone down the toilet. One contract at a time we do need to take it back. Do you think this would have happened thirty years ago? Don't fall into the trap and allow our careers to continue to be degraded just because it seems in todays world it's acceptable or the norm.
I do my job today as I did yesterday and I will do tomorrow as a professional. I don't take this issue to seriously it is what it is but it is a slap in the face never the less and it motivates me even more to job my union job and help our pilots negotiate a real contract 08.
Like Prater says it's time to take it back, not just at CAL the entire industry. It's not just about pay and benefits as a whole in our industry Captain's authority and overall respect for all pilots has gone down the toilet. One contract at a time we do need to take it back. Do you think this would have happened thirty years ago? Don't fall into the trap and allow our careers to continue to be degraded just because it seems in todays world it's acceptable or the norm.
I do my job today as I did yesterday and I will do tomorrow as a professional. I don't take this issue to seriously it is what it is but it is a slap in the face never the less and it motivates me even more to job my union job and help our pilots negotiate a real contract 08.
04-14-2007 | 12:48 PM
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It's not about me being sensitive, it is about all the BS they mouth at our airline about dignity and respect etc etc.
Like Prater says it's time to take it back, not just at CAL the entire industry. It's not just about pay and benefits as a whole in our industry Captain's authority and overall respect for all pilots has gone down the toilet. One contract at a time we do need to take it back. Do you think this would have happened thirty years ago? Don't fall into the trap and allow our careers to continue to be degraded just because it seems in todays world it's acceptable or the norm.
I do my job today as I did yesterday and I will do tomorrow as a professional. I don't take this issue to seriously it is what it is but it is a slap in the face never the less and it motivates me even more to job my union job and help our pilots negotiate a real contract 08.
Like Prater says it's time to take it back, not just at CAL the entire industry. It's not just about pay and benefits as a whole in our industry Captain's authority and overall respect for all pilots has gone down the toilet. One contract at a time we do need to take it back. Do you think this would have happened thirty years ago? Don't fall into the trap and allow our careers to continue to be degraded just because it seems in todays world it's acceptable or the norm.
I do my job today as I did yesterday and I will do tomorrow as a professional. I don't take this issue to seriously it is what it is but it is a slap in the face never the less and it motivates me even more to job my union job and help our pilots negotiate a real contract 08.
But I am 100% with you that our career has degraded and pilots don't walk with the same pride and respect that years ago. As you said "it would not had happened 30 years ago". And the only people who can fix it are US (and I meant all 597,109 F.A.A active pilots) by being unified and showing all the different companies from flight schools to corporate, cargo and airlines that airplanes without pilots are grounded; and a grounded airplane means not business.
So let's start by being pride of ourselves and show that we are the blood making run our companies.
04-14-2007 | 01:11 PM
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Question Dignity and Respect?
Is it me or do I have a right to feel slighted and once again slapped in the face by the company?
April 13 was my twenty year university with Continental. A week or so ago I had a form letter in my v-file stating how great an employee I was and how I was to be recognized for my hard word etc etc etc and to come in to the office to pick up my twenty year pin, and at the bottom it was wasn't signed but in a females hand writing the name ROB (my assistant chief pilot) was neatly printed where the letter should have been signed. I know Rob XXXX is in training but you mean to tell me one of the other assistants or base chief pilot couldn't sign the letter?
Then on Thursday I went in to the Chief Pilots office to pick up my pin. I asked one of the secretaries about my pin, with food in her month she motioned to me to wait while she washed her hands. She then when into Rob's office found the box and handed it to me and congratulated me on my service. Not that I don't appreciate the EWR CPO office staff but was this a totally classless act and slap in the face or is it just me?
I was pretty upset when it happened and I just left the office but at least one assistant chief pilot and the base Chief Pilot were both in their offices.
Is it me or do I have a right to feel slighted and once again slapped in the face by the company?
April 13 was my twenty year university with Continental. A week or so ago I had a form letter in my v-file stating how great an employee I was and how I was to be recognized for my hard word etc etc etc and to come in to the office to pick up my twenty year pin, and at the bottom it was wasn't signed but in a females hand writing the name ROB (my assistant chief pilot) was neatly printed where the letter should have been signed. I know Rob XXXX is in training but you mean to tell me one of the other assistants or base chief pilot couldn't sign the letter?
Then on Thursday I went in to the Chief Pilots office to pick up my pin. I asked one of the secretaries about my pin, with food in her month she motioned to me to wait while she washed her hands. She then when into Rob's office found the box and handed it to me and congratulated me on my service. Not that I don't appreciate the EWR CPO office staff but was this a totally classless act and slap in the face or is it just me?
I was pretty upset when it happened and I just left the office but at least one assistant chief pilot and the base Chief Pilot were both in their offices.
04-14-2007 | 01:27 PM
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Yes, it is you! Sorry to say that, but unless you called and scheduled your visit with the chief pilot, or their replacement, what did you really expect? Regardless of the circumstances of the event, did you truly expect that the office staff would come to attention when you walked in the room? As well, if that type of thing had happened to me and it bothered me as much as it appears to have bothered you, I'd have walked into the chief pilots office and made him aware of it, right then and there.
As well, looking at the big picture might give a different perspective on the treatment you endured. Maybe everyone was actually busy doing other important stuff (then again, maybe not.) What happened to you is (IMO) only an example of what goes on in a large corporation, and was not meant as a slight or a slap in the face.
Regardless, Congratulations on your 20 highly successful years at Continental Airlines, and by the way, I assume that CA did send you your pay check. Take your wife out and celebrate this milestone.
As well, looking at the big picture might give a different perspective on the treatment you endured. Maybe everyone was actually busy doing other important stuff (then again, maybe not.) What happened to you is (IMO) only an example of what goes on in a large corporation, and was not meant as a slight or a slap in the face.
Regardless, Congratulations on your 20 highly successful years at Continental Airlines, and by the way, I assume that CA did send you your pay check. Take your wife out and celebrate this milestone.
04-14-2007 | 03:35 PM
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I don't think he's being too sensitive.
Either make it worth something or don't do it at all.
9999: you may have let 20 go by without a pin, but normally we make a big deal about handing out good conduct ribbons or meritorious service medals or a good score on CDC's or whatever else. Normally more of a big deal than the decorated member would like (I have to put my service dress on and stand at attention in front of everyone?)
Just my opinion
Either make it worth something or don't do it at all.
9999: you may have let 20 go by without a pin, but normally we make a big deal about handing out good conduct ribbons or meritorious service medals or a good score on CDC's or whatever else. Normally more of a big deal than the decorated member would like (I have to put my service dress on and stand at attention in front of everyone?)
Just my opinion
04-14-2007 | 04:13 PM
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You are not being overly sensitive. As men, and a few women, we need a pat on the back, or an attaboy, every now and then and the occasional ugly tie from Jr. doesnt' cut it. We need recognition too. I'm sure you are a great pilot. The assistant should have told you to have a seat, finished stuffin her cake hole, and done it right. The chief pilot should see you and congratulate you with a handshake with your peers present, or at least the office staff.
With all of the above being said, ALL I want is for the fire department to NOT screw up my final flight hose salute ... If I make it and the company doesn't go T.U.
Tom
With all of the above being said, ALL I want is for the fire department to NOT screw up my final flight hose salute ... If I make it and the company doesn't go T.U.
Tom
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