Isn't it called "Doubletown" ?

Why leave out days off or days worked? Also per diem was left out so nobody could work the math for TAFB. A lot may read that and be mislead thinking that’s normal pay for year 2/3 based on the block hours. The whole point of this thread is to provide the additional info if your pay is anything other than a fly your line and go home type of example.

Per diem, $6600
Days off: do I include the days I sat at home on reserve and didn’t fly? I had a bunch.

I definitely work more than just my line, but I try to work smarter, not harder. I also live near a busy station so sleep at home frequently while also collecting per diem.

Well, go back a couple pages and you'll see why. Some see this as some sort of a penis measuring contest and they're the ones attacking or ridiculing people for posting their per diem, profit sharing, B-plan contributions, etc.

Others see it as gathering data and seeing the effects of work rules and other contractual items. The more information you put down, the more educated other pilots become. For example, one can see the effects of profit sharing... if you choose to include it. Case in point, some pilot groups may get decent pay rates, but no profit sharing and in the present time, that's shorting the pilot group to the tunes of tens of thousands of dollars per pilot. But do you really see it if you don't share the actual numbers?

Or per diem... there's a world of difference between the guy who earned 207k plus 7.4k in per diem vs. a guy who earned 207k plus 3.7k in per diem. I don't know about you, but I'd much rather be the latter for obvious reasons. In any case, the more data provided, the clearer the picture.

I just wish/hope that when 2019 W-2 thread starts, the commentary is limited or put in a separate thread and let the data be shared - the more the better.

I originally left out per diem because I feel that people who look at it as compensation do so at the peril of their quality of life on the road. I look at it simply as a reimbursement for expenses incurred.


However, looking it as a metric for TAFB isn't one I'd considered but that makes sense as a barometer for how much one actually had do work to get that salary. I don't have a TAFB or total days worked count. But even if i did, I've got several days where I was on reserve but never left the house.



This is a salary survey. If we want a more comprehensive look at how hard/little we worked to earn that salary, then let's start that thread. Nights in a hotel/crash pad and TAFB would help paint that fuller picture.

^^^^exactly^^^^

Tweaked/corrected the numbers

UAL 12+ year NB CAP

Regular Pay 257.5K
Per Diem 8.0K
Profit Sharing 17.4K
On-Time (Performance) Bonuses .8K
401K 43.8K
Total Compensation 327.5K
Credit Hours 945
HRS Flown 632
Days Worked 132
AVG Time Away From Base 186 hrs./mo

Hotel Stays 71

ZERO time spent in a crash pad

Live in Domicile, Line Holder w/23 years Seniority.


- Octa

Nights in a crash pad/hotel are going to tell you if someone is a commuter, and not much more than that. We have some people who do nothing but out and backs, live in base, and never stay in a hotel. Yet some of them work constantly and have far more block hours than many who commute.

True...there are different situations that will skew results. I’ve had months where hardly left my house but still credited will over 100 hours. So low block doesn’t always tell the whole story.

Atlas (2 months @ 747 Year 1 Pay w/ Overtime):

Pay: 19,500
Per Diem: 1,800
Company 401k: 700
= 22,000
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13 overnights/15 days worked
Hours Flown: 85

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Delta (10 months @ Year 1 Pay with 3-4 Green Slips):

Pay: 73,000
Per Diem: 3,500
Company 401k: 11,500
= 88,000
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51 overnights/82 days worked
+30 training overnights/45 training days (2 types in one year+indoc)
Hours Flown: 280


Commuter (but no crash pad needed)