Snow in LAS and no deicing????
02-17-2019, 10:09 PM
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Snow in LAS and no deicing????
Double u, tee, eff folks?
Landed in LAS 40 min ago and snow was accumulating on the nose of our plane, and I just watched 2 aircraft depart and there is no deicing taking place here... Not gonna call out specific flights, but on final I hear the others in line for takeoff saying they can't because of the snow. I wonder what made these 2 aircraft crews think they're special and exempt from clean aircraft rules?
I'm at a loss for words.
Landed in LAS 40 min ago and snow was accumulating on the nose of our plane, and I just watched 2 aircraft depart and there is no deicing taking place here... Not gonna call out specific flights, but on final I hear the others in line for takeoff saying they can't because of the snow. I wonder what made these 2 aircraft crews think they're special and exempt from clean aircraft rules?
I'm at a loss for words.
02-17-2019, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ToddChavez
Double u, tee, eff folks?
Landed in LAS 40 min ago and snow was accumulating on the nose of our plane, and I just watched 2 aircraft depart and there is no deicing taking place here... Not gonna call out specific flights, but on final I hear the others in line for takeoff saying they can't because of the snow. I wonder what made these 2 aircraft crews think they're special and exempt from clean aircraft rules?
I'm at a loss for words.
Landed in LAS 40 min ago and snow was accumulating on the nose of our plane, and I just watched 2 aircraft depart and there is no deicing taking place here... Not gonna call out specific flights, but on final I hear the others in line for takeoff saying they can't because of the snow. I wonder what made these 2 aircraft crews think they're special and exempt from clean aircraft rules?
I'm at a loss for words.
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02-18-2019, 02:13 AM
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How about the temp? How much snow, was it adhering or easily blown off? Was it wet, slushy, & turning to water?
Not to belittle the event, and I’m conservative with frozen precip. Maybe snuggle up into the exhaust of the aircraft in front? Yeah, may have some odors for a while.
At least Valdosta, GA had the bug sprayer.
Not to belittle the event, and I’m conservative with frozen precip. Maybe snuggle up into the exhaust of the aircraft in front? Yeah, may have some odors for a while.
At least Valdosta, GA had the bug sprayer.
02-18-2019, 03:57 AM
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I assume you were kidding about getting up close to the exhaust of the aircraft next to you. It’s the worst thing you can do. Snow melts and blows back to refreeze in places where it will have a greater effect and no testing was done.
From a rather famous accident report:
Adding to the plane's troubles was the pilots' decision to maneuver closely behind a DC-9 that was taxiing just ahead of them prior to takeoff, due to their mistaken belief that the warmth from the DC-9's engines would melt the snow and ice that had accumulated on Flight 90's wings. This action—which went specifically against flight manual recommendations for an icing situation—actually contributed to icing on the 737. The exhaust gases from the other aircraft melted the snow on the wings, but during takeoff, instead of falling off the plane, this slush mixture froze on the wings' leading edges and the engine inlet nose cone.
From a rather famous accident report:
Adding to the plane's troubles was the pilots' decision to maneuver closely behind a DC-9 that was taxiing just ahead of them prior to takeoff, due to their mistaken belief that the warmth from the DC-9's engines would melt the snow and ice that had accumulated on Flight 90's wings. This action—which went specifically against flight manual recommendations for an icing situation—actually contributed to icing on the 737. The exhaust gases from the other aircraft melted the snow on the wings, but during takeoff, instead of falling off the plane, this slush mixture froze on the wings' leading edges and the engine inlet nose cone.
Last edited by sailingfun; 02-18-2019 at 04:11 AM.
02-18-2019, 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by sourdough44
How about the temp? How much snow, was it adhering or easily blown off? Was it wet, slushy, & turning to water?
Not to belittle the event, and I’m conservative with frozen precip. Maybe snuggle up into the exhaust of the aircraft in front? Yeah, may have some odors for a while.
At least Valdosta, GA had the bug sprayer.
Not to belittle the event, and I’m conservative with frozen precip. Maybe snuggle up into the exhaust of the aircraft in front? Yeah, may have some odors for a while.
At least Valdosta, GA had the bug sprayer.
02-18-2019, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ToddChavez
Double u, tee, eff folks?
Landed in LAS 40 min ago and snow was accumulating on the nose of our plane, and I just watched 2 aircraft depart and there is no deicing taking place here... Not gonna call out specific flights, but on final I hear the others in line for takeoff saying they can't because of the snow. I wonder what made these 2 aircraft crews think they're special and exempt from clean aircraft rules?
I'm at a loss for words.
Landed in LAS 40 min ago and snow was accumulating on the nose of our plane, and I just watched 2 aircraft depart and there is no deicing taking place here... Not gonna call out specific flights, but on final I hear the others in line for takeoff saying they can't because of the snow. I wonder what made these 2 aircraft crews think they're special and exempt from clean aircraft rules?
I'm at a loss for words.
