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Peacock 11-06-2019 04:08 PM


Originally Posted by nkbux (Post 2919261)
Really? What’s is spirits completion/A14 compared to the legacies?

I think you’re missing my point. Airlines with hubs and extensive networks can cancel flights and still get passengers to their destinations. An airline with only one or two flights per day from a city is tough to recover from if something goes wrong. If there was something really important for me to get to, I wouldn’t choose the ULCC with low frequency. If saving money is the top priority, then sure.

Omniscient 11-06-2019 04:10 PM


Originally Posted by Peacock (Post 2919320)
I think you’re missing my point. Airlines with hubs and extensive networks can cancel flights and still get passengers to their destinations. An airline with only one or two flights per day from a city is tough to recover from if something goes wrong. If there was something really important for me to get to, I wouldn’t choose the ULCC with low frequency. If saving money is the top priority, then sure.

That is a fact. When I book family I will usually get them on delta because of reliability and frequency. Last thing I want is a call “my flight canceled and they can’t get me out for 3 days”

CAirBear 11-06-2019 06:47 PM


Originally Posted by nkbux (Post 2919261)
Really? What’s is spirits completion/A14 compared to the legacies?

I don’t have the graph in front of me, but you will be surprised to know, (as of the last year and a half or so) we are consistently better than United and AA most quarters now.

Delta beats us, but they beat almost everyone because they overblock their flights so they can appease and keep the business flyers (as it was explained). They are paying for it essentially.

About 2 years ago NK launched the “Invest in the Guest” initiative. Since then CF, On Time Dept and A14 has increased dramatically.

Omniscient 11-06-2019 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by CAirBear (Post 2919416)
I don’t have the graph in front of me, but you will be surprised to know, (as of the last year and a half or so) we are consistently better than United and AA most quarters now.

Delta beats us, but they beat almost everyone because they overblock their flights so they can appease and keep the business flyers (as it was explained). They are paying for it essentially.

About 2 years ago NK launched the “Invest in the Guest” initiative. Since then CF, On Time Dept and A14 has increased dramatically.

Hate to break it but the main reason our times improved is because Vanilla Bob decided to increase blocks and turn times like every other airline. It had nothing to do with investing in the guest but more so playing the same block game as the other airlines. The company also got a few more spare planes for the system to help avoid cancelations. Under Baldanza, we had 1 spare plane at times. For the entire system. Every other plane was out and logging over 17 hours a day.

So in short, she didn’t invest in the guest, we started to do what other airlines do

SaintNick 11-07-2019 03:02 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2919318)
More than plenty. XLR is for something else,

I remember reading that frontier struggles with transcons in the winter time due to packing them in there like sardines.

Flyby1206 11-07-2019 03:11 AM


Originally Posted by SaintNick (Post 2919529)
I remember reading that frontier struggles with transcons in the winter time due to packing them in there like sardines.

I read that as well, but it doesn’t make much sense with their current layout. The XLR will have reduced cargo capability due to the extra tank. So if you try to put 230 pax (F9’s 321 config) in the cabin I can’t see how there would be room for bags as well.

Xdashdriver 11-07-2019 05:39 AM


Originally Posted by SaintNick (Post 2919529)
I remember reading that frontier struggles with transcons in the winter time due to packing them in there like sardines.

Only true for the A321ceos. All the NEOs can do transcons without issue. We just don’t have any A321neos yet. Our A320NEOs don’t have an issue with transcons.

Xdashdriver 11-07-2019 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 2919535)
I read that as well, but it doesn’t make much sense with their current layout. The XLR will have reduced cargo capability due to the extra tank. So if you try to put 230 pax (F9’s 321 config) in the cabin I can’t see how there would be room for bags as well.

Not sure reduced cargo space will be much of an issue. We don’t carry non-bag cargo and we run around with one cargo compartment or the other empty or almost empty most of the time in the 321

Name User 11-07-2019 06:09 AM

LCC's actually do better when the cost of fuel goes higher. The legacies raise ticket prices to cover costs but since the spread between ticket price is how LCC's make money, with their CASM being half of the legacies, they make bank. Just go back in history over the past five years or so.

When oil prices fell the LCC's started to feel the squeeze from the legacies who were able to discount their tickets more to better compete.

rickair7777 11-07-2019 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by SaintNick (Post 2919529)
I remember reading that frontier struggles with transcons in the winter time due to packing them in there like sardines.

They must pack it pretty thick then, and cut into their fuel load?


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