United or Hawaiian (UAL vs HAL) pro/cons
01-21-2020, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ridinhigh
A big issue on the island is schools for the kiddos. Either sub par public or rather expensive private.
with a house there I’m guessing you know this already. As was mentioned 717 QOL can’t be beat. But I fear the growth at HA is slowing down. UA retirements are appealing and a real Major. Though decision, good luck.
with a house there I’m guessing you know this already. As was mentioned 717 QOL can’t be beat. But I fear the growth at HA is slowing down. UA retirements are appealing and a real Major. Though decision, good luck.
I think HAL is still growing (not more than united of course) w/ more 321 NEOs slated to come and the 787s in 2021.
Can you expand on retirements? I'm hearing HAL is 20-30 a year retiring but for a 850ish pilot group (3% yr), that may be comparable to united? 15,000 pilots at 3% year is approx. 450 yr retiring.
01-21-2020, 08:56 AM
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Hawaiian averages about 23 retirements a year over the next 10 years...we max out at 30 in one year (2026). We have about 880 total pilots on the list as of today.
There is one more A321NEO aircraft coming before our order of 18 is complete. We have not exercised any options. 10 B787s to start coming at a rate of about 2-3 a year. Some A330’s will be returned to lessors.
There is one more A321NEO aircraft coming before our order of 18 is complete. We have not exercised any options. 10 B787s to start coming at a rate of about 2-3 a year. Some A330’s will be returned to lessors.
01-21-2020, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by matl
Agree! Can you please expand on the "flying they do here"? HAL or UAL? Do you mean a chance to get a 330 at the start of class w/ HAL?
Also, please explain "lack of retirements"? I understand both have 401k contributions (HAL is 15% and UAL is 16%) but what else? Is there no profit sharing annual checks at HAL or UAL?
Also, please explain "lack of retirements"? I understand both have 401k contributions (HAL is 15% and UAL is 16%) but what else? Is there no profit sharing annual checks at HAL or UAL?
Retirements, meaning people leaving. I counted only 150 odd leaving above me in the next decade. If there’s no more growth then that’s something to seriously consider as it directly affects your Quality of life. Lots of growth that started several years ago and realistically in my personal opinion, if you’ve been hired in the last 2-3yrs you’ll miss most of it. I fully expect a fair amount in the jr 100 on the list to churn over and persue other opportunities. I mean why wouldn’t you?
Not it sure on the profit sharing. We get it, but it’s not as good as DAL/UAL/SWA.
01-22-2020, 09:28 AM
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[QUOTE=SD3FR8DOG;2961534]A330 flying at HAL. Maybe even recently, folks getting hired right into the 330. Most jr trips are to Japan and report for duty around lunch time day 1. 24 hr layover then home by lunch on day 3. @UA most likely going to have trips longer than that, especially on narrow body.
I fully expect a fair amount in the jr 100 on the list to churn over and persue other opportunities. I mean why wouldn’t you?
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YES! that makes the 330 appealing.
I guess the only reason you wouldn't leave HAL is if the family was comfortable living in Hawaii. Otherwise you'd have to commute to/from the west coast with UAL, on even longer trips as you mentioned above.
Great info thanks!
I fully expect a fair amount in the jr 100 on the list to churn over and persue other opportunities. I mean why wouldn’t you?
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YES! that makes the 330 appealing.
I guess the only reason you wouldn't leave HAL is if the family was comfortable living in Hawaii. Otherwise you'd have to commute to/from the west coast with UAL, on even longer trips as you mentioned above.
Great info thanks!
01-23-2020, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Poopchute701
Most trips are very efficient. You might work a little harder than UAL/Delta/American... In terms of soft pay and stuff. But you will be home more often.
01-23-2020, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by matl
Sorry, new to this game - can you please expand on "soft" pay?
For example, if you fly a one day trip that paid 3 hours, but min rig is 5, then you have 2 hours of soft pay. OR if you fly a dead head and get paid 5 hours, you have 5 hours of soft time.
It is basically time you’re getting paid for, but doesn’t count against your FAA limits.
01-24-2020, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by terminal
soft pay would be like deadheads and Extra pay in duty rigs.
For example, if you fly a one day trip that paid 3 hours, but min rig is 5, then you have 2 hours of soft pay. OR if you fly a dead head and get paid 5 hours, you have 5 hours of soft time.
It is basically time you’re getting paid for, but doesn’t count against your FAA limits.
For example, if you fly a one day trip that paid 3 hours, but min rig is 5, then you have 2 hours of soft pay. OR if you fly a dead head and get paid 5 hours, you have 5 hours of soft time.
It is basically time you’re getting paid for, but doesn’t count against your FAA limits.
Personally don’t count DH as soft pay, but that might be because our pax seat are very hard, sitting business class getting good food while watching a movie without screaming babies around me would be different....
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