View Poll Results: Which is more marketable 737 or Airbus type?
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Boeing or Airbus type?
01-22-2020, 06:39 PM
#21
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Christ! the OP was just asking about which airplane would be better to get a type in. It's common for military members to have VA benefits they need to use or loose. Not everyone wants to go get a second or third degree, to be an airline pilot that would be completely unnecessary.
Not many people would want to pay for a type rating, but once again, he's not really paying for it. Yes a Gulfstream or Falcon type could be valuable in certain situations, but he doesn't have $90k to spend! He stated he has about $20.
I would say Airbus is the most "valuable" simply because as someone mentioned earlier, every major has them and are getting many more of them in the future. The airbus is a different bird, and already having the type would certainly give you an huge advantage in training if you were able to pick the Airbus. Training would be less stressful and it would essentially be a PC not a type ride, so you would be able to skip certain maneuvers on your first initial airline checkride.
Not many people would want to pay for a type rating, but once again, he's not really paying for it. Yes a Gulfstream or Falcon type could be valuable in certain situations, but he doesn't have $90k to spend! He stated he has about $20.
I would say Airbus is the most "valuable" simply because as someone mentioned earlier, every major has them and are getting many more of them in the future. The airbus is a different bird, and already having the type would certainly give you an huge advantage in training if you were able to pick the Airbus. Training would be less stressful and it would essentially be a PC not a type ride, so you would be able to skip certain maneuvers on your first initial airline checkride.
01-22-2020, 07:34 PM
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DC-3 Type, hands down.... it won’t do anything directly for your you career progression, but it sure can make for some interesting stories (which could get you where you want). And, they’re just freaking badass!
01-22-2020, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
Depends. Do they seem like a pretty humble, with it, up to date person I'd like to spend 4 days (or more) sitting next to? Or are they cocky, overconfident, ignorant, and not willing to listen/take advice from people that have a more recent knowledge/data base/experience with what's going on in the world? If the latter probably not.
It's been a long, long, long time since you've paid attention to airline interviews, performance base and targeted selection, hasn't it?
As to the bold, that's a huge improbability in this day and age, for the most part. Also, when an airline interviews candidates, they want to hire EVERY candidate that walks in the door. It's the candidates job to lose at that point. The type, or lack thereof went out the window as soon as the computer or human eyeballs screened/scored/selected them for interview. It doesn't become a Hunger Games competition once everyone shows up. If a pilot isn't hired, it's NOT because another pilot that day looked better on paper, its because the interviewers, and later a board made the determination that they weren't a good fit for the airline. NOT because their cert has less writing on it than another candidates.
I don't mean to be rude, but you're coming off pretty confident and secure that a major is your next stop. Gringo sums it up pretty well. But hey, you DON'T have to take our word for it. Nor anyone else's that's interviewed and secured multiple job offers in this most recent hiring wave. Best of luck in your endeavors/pursuits and spending that money on something useful.
It's been a long, long, long time since you've paid attention to airline interviews, performance base and targeted selection, hasn't it?
As to the bold, that's a huge improbability in this day and age, for the most part. Also, when an airline interviews candidates, they want to hire EVERY candidate that walks in the door. It's the candidates job to lose at that point. The type, or lack thereof went out the window as soon as the computer or human eyeballs screened/scored/selected them for interview. It doesn't become a Hunger Games competition once everyone shows up. If a pilot isn't hired, it's NOT because another pilot that day looked better on paper, its because the interviewers, and later a board made the determination that they weren't a good fit for the airline. NOT because their cert has less writing on it than another candidates.
I don't mean to be rude, but you're coming off pretty confident and secure that a major is your next stop. Gringo sums it up pretty well. But hey, you DON'T have to take our word for it. Nor anyone else's that's interviewed and secured multiple job offers in this most recent hiring wave. Best of luck in your endeavors/pursuits and spending that money on something useful.
Man, seriously you are reading WAY too much into this and making huge leaps of logic. And at this point O captain my captain we are WELL past rude since you've just decided to disparage me with your giant leaps of logic about my arrogance. Apparently I "DO" have to take your word for it, otherwise you apparently get all ****y that I didn't do exactly as you suggest. I have already made the decision to get a big passenger jet type rating. Using the money for something else is just not a viable option. I don't need another degree or certificate or anything else you suggested. I've studied Aerospace engineering, computer science and aviation science. I've got more than enough edumacation to check all those boxes on my airline apps application. You also have no idea what I fly currently. For all you know I could be a regional captain. The obvious next step for a regional captain is a major or have things change so much that a major isn't the next step for someone coming from the regionals. But you didn't ask me that. You just made a huge leap of logic that I am a part 91 CFI and never set foot in a 121 shop and therefore have no clue as to how the world according to John Carr works and according to John Carr his way is the only way no matter how out in left field and completely unrelated to the subject at hand.
As I said previously I want to get either a boeing or airbus type rating. Which one does the APC collective think is better. That's it. I even made a simple little poll with just two options. Wasn't looking for suggestions to take underwater basket weaving or learn sugar glider Animal husbandry. Literally just do I go boeing or airbus.
I was expecting comments like "hey given boeing's current mess with the Max avoid them and go Airbus" or "Hey given boeings current mess with the MAX its a great time to get a 73 type given the need for boeing pilots when all this mess works itself out and suddenly they need people type in the 73 because everyone went and got typed in Airbi".
But NO you had to turn this into a ****ing match, because I didn't bow down to your superior intellect about how I should go off and do something completely different and completely unrelated from the original question. And now other idiots have decided to pile on when all I wanted was a simple question Boeing or Airbus. That's all I asked, boeing or airbus. Hell I didn't even ask why.
Now go ahead and tell me how stupid I am for not taking your sage, humble and completely unrelated advice O great one in the sky. Or how I have no clue about airline hiring or how it was a decade ago. Go ahead I'll wait.......
(why does it seem like some of our members here are kids in their mothers basements pretending to be legacy captains?)
To everyone else who responded with great advice within the scope of the question (or at least in the same industry and solar system) I greatly appreciate the input. Sounds like Boeing is the way to go.
/close thread
01-22-2020, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Tranquility
DC-3 Type, hands down.... it won’t do anything directly for your you career progression, but it sure can make for some interesting stories (which could get you where you want). And, they’re just freaking badass!
01-22-2020, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Av8tr1
Man, seriously you are reading WAY too much into this and making huge leaps of logic. And at this point O captain my captain we are WELL past rude since you've just decided to disparage me with your giant leaps of logic about my arrogance. Apparently I "DO" have to take your word for it, otherwise you apparently get all ****y that I didn't do exactly as you suggest. I have already made the decision to get a big passenger jet type rating. Using the money for something else is just not a viable option. I don't need another degree or certificate or anything else you suggested. I've studied Aerospace engineering, computer science and aviation science. I've got more than enough edumacation to check all those boxes on my airline apps application. You also have no idea what I fly currently. For all you know I could be a regional captain. The obvious next step for a regional captain is a major or have things change so much that a major isn't the next step for someone coming from the regionals. But you didn't ask me that. You just made a huge leap of logic that I am a part 91 CFI and never set foot in a 121 shop and therefore have no clue as to how the world according to John Carr works and according to John Carr his way is the only way no matter how out in left field and completely unrelated to the subject at hand.
As I said previously I want to get either a boeing or airbus type rating. Which one does the APC collective think is better. That's it. I even made a simple little poll with just two options. Wasn't looking for suggestions to take underwater basket weaving or learn sugar glider Animal husbandry. Literally just do I go boeing or airbus.
I was expecting comments like "hey given boeing's current mess with the Max avoid them and go Airbus" or "Hey given boeings current mess with the MAX its a great time to get a 73 type given the need for boeing pilots when all this mess works itself out and suddenly they need people type in the 73 because everyone went and got typed in Airbi".
But NO you had to turn this into a ****ing match, because I didn't bow down to your superior intellect about how I should go off and do something completely different and completely unrelated from the original question. And now other idiots have decided to pile on when all I wanted was a simple question Boeing or Airbus. That's all I asked, boeing or airbus. Hell I didn't even ask why.
Now go ahead and tell me how stupid I am for not taking your sage, humble and completely unrelated advice O great one in the sky. Or how I have no clue about airline hiring or how it was a decade ago. Go ahead I'll wait.......
(why does it seem like some of our members here are kids in their mothers basements pretending to be legacy captains?)
To everyone else who responded with great advice within the scope of the question (or at least in the same industry and solar system) I greatly appreciate the input. Sounds like Boeing is the way to go.
/close thread
As I said previously I want to get either a boeing or airbus type rating. Which one does the APC collective think is better. That's it. I even made a simple little poll with just two options. Wasn't looking for suggestions to take underwater basket weaving or learn sugar glider Animal husbandry. Literally just do I go boeing or airbus.
I was expecting comments like "hey given boeing's current mess with the Max avoid them and go Airbus" or "Hey given boeings current mess with the MAX its a great time to get a 73 type given the need for boeing pilots when all this mess works itself out and suddenly they need people type in the 73 because everyone went and got typed in Airbi".
But NO you had to turn this into a ****ing match, because I didn't bow down to your superior intellect about how I should go off and do something completely different and completely unrelated from the original question. And now other idiots have decided to pile on when all I wanted was a simple question Boeing or Airbus. That's all I asked, boeing or airbus. Hell I didn't even ask why.
Now go ahead and tell me how stupid I am for not taking your sage, humble and completely unrelated advice O great one in the sky. Or how I have no clue about airline hiring or how it was a decade ago. Go ahead I'll wait.......
(why does it seem like some of our members here are kids in their mothers basements pretending to be legacy captains?)
To everyone else who responded with great advice within the scope of the question (or at least in the same industry and solar system) I greatly appreciate the input. Sounds like Boeing is the way to go.
/close thread
You are so out of touch I don't even know where to start. At this point, maybe you should use the money to get a CDL, at least that is something that could be useful even as a pilot to have. You apparently not only don't understand how airline hiring works you aren't willing to listen to people who understand the process.
In part 121 operations you do the exact same training whether you have a type or not. The only difference is whether the final ride as to be with an APD, but most large airlines just schedule it like that regardless. There is absolutely NO added competitive edge anywhere but maybe southwest for a specific type rating, and as you apparently don't really care about southwest it doesn't really matter. For a large airline you aren't guaranteed to get awarded the aircraft you are typed in regardless.
If there is anyone acting like a child here, it is you. That post of yours is embarrassing.
As an aside, you asked which type was more "marketable." Your poll wasn't about which was a "cooler" aircraft, it was what would help you with your career. When you post an either or answer to a question that is more complicated than that, you'll get responses clarifying.
01-22-2020, 09:42 PM
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Do you have a masters? If so, get ANOTHER ONE, in anything. Just make sure to get a 4.0 in the program. It's more "marketable" than a type on a NB aircraft.
This is what's wrong with our current hiring environment, lots of qualified, great pilots out there, whom for one reason of another don't have a 4 year degree.
This is what's wrong with our current hiring environment, lots of qualified, great pilots out there, whom for one reason of another don't have a 4 year degree.
01-23-2020, 01:38 AM
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As a mil guy, I get it. These are my benefits, I earned them, and I will use every penny. Hell, I even got my CDL “just in case.”
Not sure where you are but I looked into the Harvard Extension Program for the MBA. Unfortunately I am now out of money (something like 9 weeks benefits left.) Still a piece of paper but a conversation starter and door opener. If not school- get a more valuable type. 73 and 320 are old tech and boring. If you have the funds get a G650 type or Global.
Not sure where you are but I looked into the Harvard Extension Program for the MBA. Unfortunately I am now out of money (something like 9 weeks benefits left.) Still a piece of paper but a conversation starter and door opener. If not school- get a more valuable type. 73 and 320 are old tech and boring. If you have the funds get a G650 type or Global.
01-23-2020, 10:33 AM
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Here's something no one has offered yet...
Get one that has the easiest QOL while you're doing it.
Which one takes the shortest time to complete? (The most self-study at home means less time in the training facility.)
Which can you get in the city where you live? Or a city within driving distance, so you at least have a car while you're away?
Which has the cheapest hotels nearby if you have to pay your own lodging? (Or even family or friends you can crash with?)
Everything else being neutral, that's what I'd look at.
Get one that has the easiest QOL while you're doing it.
Which one takes the shortest time to complete? (The most self-study at home means less time in the training facility.)
Which can you get in the city where you live? Or a city within driving distance, so you at least have a car while you're away?
Which has the cheapest hotels nearby if you have to pay your own lodging? (Or even family or friends you can crash with?)
Everything else being neutral, that's what I'd look at.
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