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MtoL 05-31-2022 10:00 PM


Originally Posted by hoover (Post 3432828)
thank you for using fewer

I’ll pass it on to my English teacher.

fadec 06-01-2022 02:35 PM

The coming recession will drive everyone to use ULCCs and the legacies will go bankrupt, just like last time. Lol NOT.

This time the legacies have better pricing power and they will be able to make their money in places ULCCs can't touch. They'll be able to outcompete the ULCCs in contested markets, which is what they were expected to do last time, before everyone realized that overcapacity combined with 2000 era Orbitz style websites totally disarmed them.

ULCCs will be forced into mergers and I expect one Frankenstein of a company will be powerful enough to hold on to some vital markets, but the segment as a whole will shrink.

Rhdicjkwso 06-01-2022 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by fadec (Post 3433496)
The coming recession will drive everyone to use ULCCs and the legacies will go bankrupt, just like last time. Lol NOT.

This time the legacies have better pricing power and they will be able to make their money in places ULCCs can't touch. They'll be able to outcompete the ULCCs in contested markets, which is what they were expected to do last time, before everyone realized that overcapacity combined with 2000 era Orbitz style websites totally disarmed them.

ULCCs will be forced into mergers and I expect one Frankenstein of a company will be powerful enough to hold on to some vital markets, but the segment as a whole will shrink.

This train is going one direction and it’s gonna take a lot to put the brakes on. ULCC’s have been taking market share from legacies over the past 20 years.

What exactly will reverse that because there’s been a few recessions and they continue to take market share.

TRZ06 06-01-2022 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by DamnThatWasFast (Post 3432608)
If you look at the AA retirements. Many are retiring before 65, not many want to stay to 65 never mind 67. Plus, to get to 67 you have to stay healthy. Also a challenge. I wouldn't worry about 67 rule, not likely to happen any ways.

It could probably slow down the party but not a whole lot. So, the numbers for now are showing most do not retire before 65. If you are at 65 chances are you are healthy enough to fly to 67. Finally everything happening to the industry now will probably change the retirement age if only temporarily. None of this should change outlook for a new hire though. For the OP, you are to be justifiably concerned about AA's debt level. Its not going to go away no matter how robust the industry remains. Widebody or not, commuting or not, the health of your career airline will affect your life more than anything else. I have witnessed it. I have experienced it. Good luck in your decision though however you choose.

Otterbox 06-03-2022 12:27 AM


Originally Posted by DamnThatWasFast (Post 3432608)
If you look at the AA retirements. Many are retiring before 65, not many want to stay to 65 never mind 67. Plus, to get to 67 you have to stay healthy. Also a challenge. I wouldn't worry about 67 rule, not likely to happen any ways.

AA domestic schedules are pretty rough so they’re seeing 10-15% more retire per year than age 65 mandated because those folks are miserable. The Group IV crowd… they’re leaving kicking and screaming with 1000+hrs of sick time in their banks because they enjoy their 3 day trips to Frankfurt too much to hang up the spurs.

threeighteen 06-03-2022 02:06 AM


Originally Posted by Rhdicjkwso (Post 3433608)
This train is going one direction and it’s gonna take a lot to put the brakes on. ULCC’s have been taking market share from legacies over the past 20 years.

What exactly will reverse that because there’s been a few recessions and they continue to take market share.

ULCCs have taken market share from Greyhound, not Legacy carriers.

PotatoChip 06-03-2022 02:52 AM


Originally Posted by Rhdicjkwso (Post 3433608)
This train is going one direction and it’s gonna take a lot to put the brakes on. ULCC’s have been taking market share from legacies over the past 20 years.

What exactly will reverse that because there’s been a few recessions and they continue to take market share.

ULCCs have been creating more market share than taking directly.
That’s the point of their existence.

FNGFO 06-03-2022 05:57 AM

The legacies have responded and have simply decided to hire away ULCC seniority lists and recruits. And will continue to do so for the better part of a decade.

Rhdicjkwso 06-03-2022 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by threeighteen (Post 3434108)
ULCCs have taken market share from Greyhound, not Legacy carriers.

An average income family is not going to take Greyhound to Orlando. They will fly. But they’re not going to pay more to fly a legacy carrier.

JulesWinfield 06-03-2022 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by Rhdicjkwso (Post 3434191)
An average income family is not going to take Greyhound to Orlando. They will fly. But they’re not going to pay more to fly a legacy carrier.

Yeah, but once you factor in luggage and strollers, assigned seats together, and what not, you won’t save anything going on a ULCC.


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