Pilot Shortage?
05-21-2007 | 06:22 AM
#21
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If you can't find a job with that time your looking in the wrong place, not really looking, or you should get some interview/resume coaching. I'm not trying to be cheeky here mate as everybody I know with any reasonable time and looking for a job is getting that job no worries.
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05-21-2007 | 08:46 AM
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With that amount of total time and no offers from "higher" places, there may be a personality issue or something in the background that is causing a problem. At that level flying time, you are qualified as a pilot- hours are not an issue anymore really beyond around 5000 hours and around 1500-2000 tpic... you have to qualify yourself as a professional and pilot to get a job, though.
05-21-2007 | 01:26 PM
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Well said 80kts.
What I suspect with some people who are holding a very negative attitude is that they want a job within 30 minutes of where they currently live, starting at $100K a year. Your expectations have to be realistic to start with (yes, even with good time you'll have to 'start over' to some extent), however, I still don't know how with that kind of time one couldn't find a reasonable job in a city that they were happy with. I have a good job, but I keep in touch with friends flying in different places, and I keep in touch with a contract company I have a relationship with. They called me the other day to see if I was interested in a position that came up. They called me even though I am short on time on the type they had the position on; the reason being I keep up good relations and have made pretty reasonable career decisions along the way. They also do not have many other options to fill the position.
I didn't have anywhere near 11500 hours when I was hired onto a 777 mate. I worked my but off to get the job though. I'd say just keep trying but I fear any possitive statement would fall on deaf, defeated ears, which sucks 'cause with the time and the right attitude you could be doing very well in 12-18 months. But that's just my opinion.
What I suspect with some people who are holding a very negative attitude is that they want a job within 30 minutes of where they currently live, starting at $100K a year. Your expectations have to be realistic to start with (yes, even with good time you'll have to 'start over' to some extent), however, I still don't know how with that kind of time one couldn't find a reasonable job in a city that they were happy with. I have a good job, but I keep in touch with friends flying in different places, and I keep in touch with a contract company I have a relationship with. They called me the other day to see if I was interested in a position that came up. They called me even though I am short on time on the type they had the position on; the reason being I keep up good relations and have made pretty reasonable career decisions along the way. They also do not have many other options to fill the position.
I didn't have anywhere near 11500 hours when I was hired onto a 777 mate. I worked my but off to get the job though. I'd say just keep trying but I fear any possitive statement would fall on deaf, defeated ears, which sucks 'cause with the time and the right attitude you could be doing very well in 12-18 months. But that's just my opinion.
05-21-2007 | 06:54 PM
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Well said 80kts.
What I suspect with some people who are holding a very negative attitude is that they want a job within 30 minutes of where they currently live, starting at $100K a year. Your expectations have to be realistic to start with (yes, even with good time you'll have to 'start over' to some extent), however, I still don't know how with that kind of time one couldn't find a reasonable job in a city that they were happy with. I have a good job, but I keep in touch with friends flying in different places, and I keep in touch with a contract company I have a relationship with. They called me the other day to see if I was interested in a position that came up. They called me even though I am short on time on the type they had the position on; the reason being I keep up good relations and have made pretty reasonable career decisions along the way. They also do not have many other options to fill the position.
I didn't have anywhere near 11500 hours when I was hired onto a 777 mate. I worked my but off to get the job though. I'd say just keep trying but I fear any possitive statement would fall on deaf, defeated ears, which sucks 'cause with the time and the right attitude you could be doing very well in 12-18 months. But that's just my opinion.
What I suspect with some people who are holding a very negative attitude is that they want a job within 30 minutes of where they currently live, starting at $100K a year. Your expectations have to be realistic to start with (yes, even with good time you'll have to 'start over' to some extent), however, I still don't know how with that kind of time one couldn't find a reasonable job in a city that they were happy with. I have a good job, but I keep in touch with friends flying in different places, and I keep in touch with a contract company I have a relationship with. They called me the other day to see if I was interested in a position that came up. They called me even though I am short on time on the type they had the position on; the reason being I keep up good relations and have made pretty reasonable career decisions along the way. They also do not have many other options to fill the position.
I didn't have anywhere near 11500 hours when I was hired onto a 777 mate. I worked my but off to get the job though. I'd say just keep trying but I fear any possitive statement would fall on deaf, defeated ears, which sucks 'cause with the time and the right attitude you could be doing very well in 12-18 months. But that's just my opinion.
Most likely you are living in the middle east or asia to have that job. The majority would not accept that. I just hope you didn't drag your family there.
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05-21-2007 | 09:08 PM
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I'll be living at home, driving 30-40 minutes to work and making over 90,000 in a little over a yearand a half flying a widebody... more pay increases beyond that.
Not all flying sucks, SkyHigh. I can't imagine doing anything else and most of my friends wonder when I work.
Kudos to KoruPilot. Never ever ever burn bridges and always keep your options open. I'm at my "career" airline... but am too dang superstitious to stop keeping a logbook or anything of that nature.
Not all flying sucks, SkyHigh. I can't imagine doing anything else and most of my friends wonder when I work.
Kudos to KoruPilot. Never ever ever burn bridges and always keep your options open. I'm at my "career" airline... but am too dang superstitious to stop keeping a logbook or anything of that nature.
05-21-2007 | 11:05 PM
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Nope, not the Middle East (but I did fly there for a while and frankly it is a great place to take your family, but that's just my opinion), I ended up at Air New Zealand. I make excellent money and they treat me very well. The worst hotel in the system is the Nikko Narita. I didn't get it by sitting on my but though, nor did I not take the three day interview very seriously.
And as with 80kts, my roster is very nice. I fly longhaul so I drive the 55 minutes to work three to four times per month. The rest of my driving is to the local surf break.
But. . .nobody handed me this mate. Just like nobody handed it to the guys and gals at FedEx, Continental, Air Canada, SWA or any of the many other very good operators in North America. You want it, quit making bloody excuses and go get it. And it likely won't happen tomorrow, but it'll happen. . .man, you got me sounding like one of those wankers on TV.
And as with 80kts, my roster is very nice. I fly longhaul so I drive the 55 minutes to work three to four times per month. The rest of my driving is to the local surf break.
But. . .nobody handed me this mate. Just like nobody handed it to the guys and gals at FedEx, Continental, Air Canada, SWA or any of the many other very good operators in North America. You want it, quit making bloody excuses and go get it. And it likely won't happen tomorrow, but it'll happen. . .man, you got me sounding like one of those wankers on TV.
05-21-2007 | 11:07 PM
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Oh yea, the job I was called about was flying a Boeing based out of my home town. They called me 'casue they had my number, knew my name and what I was like personally as I had made the time to go in and see them.
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05-22-2007 | 04:52 AM
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Nope, not the Middle East (but I did fly there for a while and frankly it is a great place to take your family, but that's just my opinion), I ended up at Air New Zealand. I make excellent money and they treat me very well. The worst hotel in the system is the Nikko Narita. I didn't get it by sitting on my but though, nor did I not take the three day interview very seriously.
And as with 80kts, my roster is very nice. I fly longhaul so I drive the 55 minutes to work three to four times per month. The rest of my driving is to the local surf break.
But. . .nobody handed me this mate. Just like nobody handed it to the guys and gals at FedEx, Continental, Air Canada, SWA or any of the many other very good operators in North America. You want it, quit making bloody excuses and go get it. And it likely won't happen tomorrow, but it'll happen. . .man, you got me sounding like one of those wankers on TV.
And as with 80kts, my roster is very nice. I fly longhaul so I drive the 55 minutes to work three to four times per month. The rest of my driving is to the local surf break.
But. . .nobody handed me this mate. Just like nobody handed it to the guys and gals at FedEx, Continental, Air Canada, SWA or any of the many other very good operators in North America. You want it, quit making bloody excuses and go get it. And it likely won't happen tomorrow, but it'll happen. . .man, you got me sounding like one of those wankers on TV.
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05-22-2007 | 12:48 PM
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This all reminds me of when I was just doing my private licence a long time ago. The guy cleaning my parents carpets had been flying a King Air, but hey, he got a young lass pregnant (she apparently thought pilots were cool up 'till that point), married her and gave me the worst advice a bitter man could give. Good thing I didn't take it.
Of course there are not enough seats for everyone to fly for a major. But it's not the lottery; the people in those seats did not just rely on luck.
I'm not from NZ, but I fly for the national carrier. I didn't know anyone at the airline who could help me along, and when I first got to the country, about 4 years ago, I didn't know a soul in aviation who could help me get any job. I just knocked on doors. I spent the first little while building houses. Heck, I even screwed the pooch in younger day's and had a very bad accident, and you can bet that it was brought up in the interview. I was practically kicked out the door at Cathay (we just weren't meant for one another), but I ended up with an FE job later on down the road which got me going. The pay sucked and i lived hand to mouth to credit card for some time, but by puting in the time it got me my first command on a big turbine. Lot's of guy's out there in the States refusing to fly for the second level jet carriers because of the near term pain, when the long term up side is huge. I read the posts, I look at the signatures, I know who will make it to those seats and who, likely, won't.
Anyway, like I said, it isn't easy, not for me, not for most, so if your looking for someone to accept excuses, look elsewhere.
Of course there are not enough seats for everyone to fly for a major. But it's not the lottery; the people in those seats did not just rely on luck.
I'm not from NZ, but I fly for the national carrier. I didn't know anyone at the airline who could help me along, and when I first got to the country, about 4 years ago, I didn't know a soul in aviation who could help me get any job. I just knocked on doors. I spent the first little while building houses. Heck, I even screwed the pooch in younger day's and had a very bad accident, and you can bet that it was brought up in the interview. I was practically kicked out the door at Cathay (we just weren't meant for one another), but I ended up with an FE job later on down the road which got me going. The pay sucked and i lived hand to mouth to credit card for some time, but by puting in the time it got me my first command on a big turbine. Lot's of guy's out there in the States refusing to fly for the second level jet carriers because of the near term pain, when the long term up side is huge. I read the posts, I look at the signatures, I know who will make it to those seats and who, likely, won't.
Anyway, like I said, it isn't easy, not for me, not for most, so if your looking for someone to accept excuses, look elsewhere.
05-23-2007 | 05:24 AM
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This all reminds me of when I was just doing my private licence a long time ago. The guy cleaning my parents carpets had been flying a King Air, but hey, he got a young lass pregnant (she apparently thought pilots were cool up 'till that point), married her and gave me the worst advice a bitter man could give. Good thing I didn't take it.
Of course there are not enough seats for everyone to fly for a major. But it's not the lottery; the people in those seats did not just rely on luck.
I'm not from NZ, but I fly for the national carrier. I didn't know anyone at the airline who could help me along, and when I first got to the country, about 4 years ago, I didn't know a soul in aviation who could help me get any job. I just knocked on doors. I spent the first little while building houses. Heck, I even screwed the pooch in younger day's and had a very bad accident, and you can bet that it was brought up in the interview. I was practically kicked out the door at Cathay (we just weren't meant for one another), but I ended up with an FE job later on down the road which got me going. The pay sucked and i lived hand to mouth to credit card for some time, but by puting in the time it got me my first command on a big turbine. Lot's of guy's out there in the States refusing to fly for the second level jet carriers because of the near term pain, when the long term up side is huge. I read the posts, I look at the signatures, I know who will make it to those seats and who, likely, won't.
Anyway, like I said, it isn't easy, not for me, not for most, so if your looking for someone to accept excuses, look elsewhere.
Of course there are not enough seats for everyone to fly for a major. But it's not the lottery; the people in those seats did not just rely on luck.
I'm not from NZ, but I fly for the national carrier. I didn't know anyone at the airline who could help me along, and when I first got to the country, about 4 years ago, I didn't know a soul in aviation who could help me get any job. I just knocked on doors. I spent the first little while building houses. Heck, I even screwed the pooch in younger day's and had a very bad accident, and you can bet that it was brought up in the interview. I was practically kicked out the door at Cathay (we just weren't meant for one another), but I ended up with an FE job later on down the road which got me going. The pay sucked and i lived hand to mouth to credit card for some time, but by puting in the time it got me my first command on a big turbine. Lot's of guy's out there in the States refusing to fly for the second level jet carriers because of the near term pain, when the long term up side is huge. I read the posts, I look at the signatures, I know who will make it to those seats and who, likely, won't.
Anyway, like I said, it isn't easy, not for me, not for most, so if your looking for someone to accept excuses, look elsewhere.
Perhaps if your life was an open book and you were willing to provide for a full audit of the sacrifices you have made to get there we could determine if it was really worth it. It is easy to suggest that it was but without the full story no one will ever know except you.
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