Winners/Losers & M/A
04-27-2020 | 01:30 PM
#61
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
Hilarious thread. Everyone talking about how the other guy's job/airline are screwed.
Here's who's really screwed: Every single pilot for every single airline. If you don't get furloughed, you'll take pay cuts (save the keyboard antics for someone else; it will happen to all of us), contract concessions, and a career that's moving in reverse due to furloughs.
Here's who's really screwed: Every single pilot for every single airline. If you don't get furloughed, you'll take pay cuts (save the keyboard antics for someone else; it will happen to all of us), contract concessions, and a career that's moving in reverse due to furloughs.
Cargo will be good for a while, might see a downturn with the economy or maybe not if this business accelerates the shift away from brick and mortar.
As for Zoom replacing business travel, that's just brain dead idiocy. Zoom has turned out to be an extremely hackable platform. Which is a huge weakness for teleconferences no matter which vendor you use. Want to invite the world to your business discussions? Use a teleconferencing platform. Any one of them; they're all hackable.
For a variety of reasons, face-to-face interpersonal communications will remain critical for any significant relationships and transactions. That's my gut feel, and JP Morgan recently published words to that effect.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...-that-happens/
I can come up with 25 different scenarios to explain why LCCs are worse off than legacies. And I can come up with 25 different scenarios to explain why legacies are worse off than LCCs. The problem with the clowns on here stating how 'the other guy' is more screwed is ignoring all of the different ways his own airline can/will be screwed.
The stickers won't even stick to bags anymore. One thing I miss about the old days. Our crew rooms still have old school bags on shelves, I'm guessing from retirees. Today everybody has a kevlar cooler full of Kale.
04-27-2020 | 03:01 PM
#62
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From: 320 CA
Generally true. Some of the top guys will actually get a lot of paid of paid time off... very well paid, although they might still complain about dropping below $1M due to loss of OT.
Cargo will be good for a while, might see a downturn with the economy or maybe not if this business accelerates the shift away from brick and mortar.
You're but the issues are much deeper than tech implementation.
For a variety of reasons, face-to-face interpersonal communications will remain critical for any significant relationships and transactions. That's my gut feel, and JP Morgan recently published words to that effect.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...-that-happens/
The big three + HAL are royally screwed. On the domestic front, you can make the case either way as to whether the middle of the pack or the ULCCs are better positioned.
The stickers won't even stick to bags anymore. One thing I miss about the old days. Our crew rooms still have old school bags on shelves, I'm guessing from retirees. Today everybody has a kevlar cooler full of Kale.
Cargo will be good for a while, might see a downturn with the economy or maybe not if this business accelerates the shift away from brick and mortar.
You're but the issues are much deeper than tech implementation.
For a variety of reasons, face-to-face interpersonal communications will remain critical for any significant relationships and transactions. That's my gut feel, and JP Morgan recently published words to that effect.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...-that-happens/
The big three + HAL are royally screwed. On the domestic front, you can make the case either way as to whether the middle of the pack or the ULCCs are better positioned.
The stickers won't even stick to bags anymore. One thing I miss about the old days. Our crew rooms still have old school bags on shelves, I'm guessing from retirees. Today everybody has a kevlar cooler full of Kale.
04-27-2020 | 03:01 PM
#63
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Generally true. Some of the top guys will actually get a lot of paid of paid time off... very well paid, although they might still complain about dropping below $1M due to loss of OT.
Cargo will be good for a while, might see a downturn with the economy or maybe not if this business accelerates the shift away from brick and mortar.
You're but the issues are much deeper than tech implementation.
For a variety of reasons, face-to-face interpersonal communications will remain critical for any significant relationships and transactions. That's my gut feel, and JP Morgan recently published words to that effect.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...-that-happens/
The big three + HAL are royally screwed. On the domestic front, you can make the case either way as to whether the middle of the pack or the ULCCs are better positioned.
The stickers won't even stick to bags anymore. One thing I miss about the old days. Our crew rooms still have old school bags on shelves, I'm guessing from retirees. Today everybody has a kevlar cooler full of Kale.
Cargo will be good for a while, might see a downturn with the economy or maybe not if this business accelerates the shift away from brick and mortar.
You're but the issues are much deeper than tech implementation.
For a variety of reasons, face-to-face interpersonal communications will remain critical for any significant relationships and transactions. That's my gut feel, and JP Morgan recently published words to that effect.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/s...-that-happens/
The big three + HAL are royally screwed. On the domestic front, you can make the case either way as to whether the middle of the pack or the ULCCs are better positioned.
The stickers won't even stick to bags anymore. One thing I miss about the old days. Our crew rooms still have old school bags on shelves, I'm guessing from retirees. Today everybody has a kevlar cooler full of Kale.
Zoom can be hacked, so can email. JP Morgan did not write that article, this chick did: https://twitter.com/jfsklar?ref_src=...Ctwgr%5Eauthor
She also wrote about an app for menopause: https://neo.life/2018/06/wheres-the-killer-app-for-menopause/
Uh....
04-27-2020 | 03:27 PM
#64
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I think not relying on business travel is a huge benefit as long as the average vacationer gets their job back in May and June, which is looking like more of a possibility. Japan and California are key.
Could be worse. Our CEO could be posturing for concessions.
04-27-2020 | 03:36 PM
#65
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
Remember, many US tourists going to HI have to ask if the take dollars over there...
04-27-2020 | 03:40 PM
#66
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From: guppy CA
If you're suggesting that international travel will rebound more slowly than domestic, I can make several cases as to why you're right. I can make at least as many cases as to why you're wrong, especially in a world of outsourcing.
You've made a statement implying international travel will not return quickly with nothing to back it up. You, like everyone else, are merely guessing about the future.
04-27-2020 | 03:50 PM
#67
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From: guppy CA
Funny that Richard Branson's pic is in that article.
Branson's empire is rapidly crumbling and he could very well end up dying penniless. So that daredevil CEO is usually swimming naked and we all get to see that when the tide goes out. (to paraphrase Warren Buffett).
Or maybe a couple lines from a Jimmy Buffet song:
I made enough money to buy Miami, but I ****ed it away so fast
Never meant to last, never meant to last
04-27-2020 | 04:27 PM
#68
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From: On stiltz
I keep hearing that one Legacy is toast. Delta says it's United, United says it's American and AA seems to be pretty laid back about the whole thing.
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Delta to buy HAL.
SWA to buy Alaska and Sun Country.
Frontier and Spirit merge.
JB not having a dance partner left will merge with Allegiant.
All in all about 40000 Pilots on the street. BAM, end of the Pilot shortage.
Sounds about as accurate as the OP.
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Delta to buy HAL.
SWA to buy Alaska and Sun Country.
Frontier and Spirit merge.
JB not having a dance partner left will merge with Allegiant.
All in all about 40000 Pilots on the street. BAM, end of the Pilot shortage.
Sounds about as accurate as the OP.
04-27-2020 | 05:37 PM
#69
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From: 60’s Tech, Right
Miatas are not sports cars.... 
Thread derail attempt #1....
Thread derail attempt #1....
04-27-2020 | 07:42 PM
#70
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Hilarious thread. Everyone talking about how the other guy's job/airline are screwed.
Here's who's really screwed: Every single pilot for every single airline. If you don't get furloughed, you'll take pay cuts (save the keyboard antics for someone else; it will happen to all of us), contract concessions, and a career that's moving in reverse due to furloughs.
As for Zoom replacing business travel, that's just brain dead idiocy. Zoom has turned out to be an extremely hackable platform. Which is a huge weakness for teleconferences no matter which vendor you use. Want to invite the world to your business discussions? Use a teleconferencing platform. Any one of them; they're all hackable.
I can come up with 25 different scenarios to explain why LCCs are worse off than legacies. And I can come up with 25 different scenarios to explain why legacies are worse off than LCCs. The problem with the clowns on here stating how 'the other guy' is more screwed is ignoring all of the different ways his own airline can/will be screwed.
Time to break out the BOHICA flight bag stickers because BOHICA.
Here's who's really screwed: Every single pilot for every single airline. If you don't get furloughed, you'll take pay cuts (save the keyboard antics for someone else; it will happen to all of us), contract concessions, and a career that's moving in reverse due to furloughs.
As for Zoom replacing business travel, that's just brain dead idiocy. Zoom has turned out to be an extremely hackable platform. Which is a huge weakness for teleconferences no matter which vendor you use. Want to invite the world to your business discussions? Use a teleconferencing platform. Any one of them; they're all hackable.
I can come up with 25 different scenarios to explain why LCCs are worse off than legacies. And I can come up with 25 different scenarios to explain why legacies are worse off than LCCs. The problem with the clowns on here stating how 'the other guy' is more screwed is ignoring all of the different ways his own airline can/will be screwed.
Time to break out the BOHICA flight bag stickers because BOHICA.
