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Old 05-25-2020, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik View Post
Wishing for an airline to go bankrupt as a pilot for another airline is insane.
I've seen that more than once on the various forums here.
And I've seen it plenty of times in previous downturns.
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Old 05-25-2020, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy View Post
The difference here is that no one openly hopes for a Yucatan meteor. Plenty of you guys at LCCs are openly hoping that AMR files for BK (along with the rest of the legacies).
I absolutely do not hope for that and I don’t know who you are speaking of. I’ve never heard of that. We all have friends across all airlines and no one wishes anything bad to happen to them. We all only wish for regionals to die and not the pilots just the companies and have them all brought on as mainline pilots.

And as a LCC pilot if the legacies go bankrupt whose coat tails do we ride in the next cycle?
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Old 05-25-2020, 03:12 PM
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I absolutely do not hope for that and I don’t know who you are speaking of. I’ve never heard of that. We all have friends across all airlines and no one wishes anything bad to happen to them. We all only wish for regionals to die and not the pilots just the companies and have them all brought on as mainline pilots.

And as a LCC pilot if the legacies go bankrupt whose coat tails do we ride in the next cycle?
Seriously? I haven't read other airline subforums that much but I've found dancing on grave posts in all LCC forums. Here's a quick search of Spirit's subforum; I'm sure I could find more if I looked for a couple of minutes:
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With Avianca going bankrupt (see link below) and maybe more South American airlines going bust without any government bailout seems like Spirit will be better positioned to take on more flying down there when this fiasco is over with. A lot of US carriers are even planning on being smaller sized so that would seem to help us out even more. Thoughts?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn...-11/index.html
That's a bit of gravedancing by one of your coworkers.
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Old 05-25-2020, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy View Post
Seriously? I haven't read other airline subforums that much but I've found dancing on grave posts in all LCC forums. Here's a quick search of Spirit's subforum; I'm sure I could find more if I looked for a couple of minutes:


That's a bit of gravedancing by one of your coworkers.
You seem angry like you just got displaced or something.... You need to chill. You might be able to cherry-pick quotes, but the vast majority of all pilots everywhere don’t want to see mass furloughs or bankruptcies. Why? Because most of us have been down that ugly road at least once before. If you’re military, and haven’t experienced this before, welcome aboard. But nobody with their head screwed on straight would wish ill unto others in this industry, it’ll come back and slap you in the face. Karma is a ***** in the airline industry.....
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Originally Posted by Andy View Post
The difference here is that no one openly hopes for a Yucatan meteor. Plenty of you guys at LCCs are openly hoping that AMR files for BK (along with the rest of the legacies).
why do guys at LCC’s care if Alta Mesa flies for bankruptcy? What am I missing?
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Old 05-26-2020, 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by AllYourBaseAreB View Post
Parker has never navigated a company through bankruptcy, he takes advantage of other airlines that already have.
Pretty sure Parker has never taken a company through bankruptcy. He’s taken over companies that were in bankruptcy and brought them out of it.
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Originally Posted by Andy View Post
The difference here is that no one openly hopes for a Yucatan meteor. Plenty of you guys at LCCs are openly hoping that AMR files for BK (along with the rest of the legacies).
Ridiculous. Pointing out that sometimes management uses techniques to drive down costs and get out of contracts is merely stating facts, no different than saying they delay negotiations trying to deny raises as long as possible. That is exactly what they do. And with the pattern bargaining (and the fundamental unfairness of the RLA) anything that drives one pilot group down tends to drive them all down.

And if that was directed at me personally please read what I had to say in this thread:

Negotiating in the time of Coronavirus.

The point is, we have a lot of people that are good professional pilots and even a lot of fun to fly with, but are still naive in the ways of the business world. They need to think and learn about these things, understand the possibilities and ramifications, both for their own sakes and for the sake of the rest of us. Ignorance is not bliss and knowledge is not dancing on anyone’s grave.
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Old 05-26-2020, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy View Post
I've seen that more than once on the various forums here.
And I've seen it plenty of times in previous downturns.
Which indicates they need to be better educated about the effects of that under the RLA.
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Old 05-26-2020, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy View Post
The difference here is that no one openly hopes for a Yucatan meteor. Plenty of you guys at LCCs are openly hoping that AMR files for BK (along with the rest of the legacies).
I'm hoping for a Yucatán meteor. I've seen one two many people wearing a mask and gloves while driving alone in their car. I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
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Old 05-27-2020, 09:03 AM
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Nice that you wrote this:

Originally Posted by Tranquility View Post
But nobody with their head screwed on straight would wish ill unto others in this industry, it’ll come back and slap you in the face.
But in the same post, you wrote this:

Originally Posted by Tranquility View Post
You seem angry like you just got displaced or something....
That's a whole lot of schadenfreude wrapped into your post and exactly what I was talking about.
I'm displaced and quite a few pilots below me are getting furloughed. Nice of you to point that out.
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