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Go to SWA and wait a decade to upgrade and never fly wide body aircraft. Go to AA for the most rapid career progress into wide body flying and onset of furlough protection via increased hiring projections.

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Originally Posted by flybywire44 (Post 3420075)

Still probably more likely to get furloughed at AA than SWA within the next 5 years... Just ask the pilots that APA Reps elected to have kicked at the curb and laughed at on their way to get furloughed, which caused the training and delayed hiring disaster that AA is encountering today.

This thread is incredibly ridiculous….
The answer is always Delta Airlines! :D:D

Also, Miatas are not sports cars!

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Originally Posted by Tranquility (Post 3420162)

This thread is incredibly ridiculous….
The answer is always Delta Airlines! :D:D

Also, Miatas are not sports cars!

two things wrong with this post

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Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3420197)

two things wrong with this post

One smilie was for a joke, the other was serious….
Deltoids are truly complicated….

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Originally Posted by Dunkin (Post 3410944)

I’m sure once Delta and United are done bringing in their new aircraft the debt levels will be more even. I don’t know why it matters to the APC crowd so much, I don’t invest my money into airlines. I just work here man.

By virtue of "justing working here" in a seniority based industry, your choice of airline is a much more serious investment than an investor's tiny allocation in their 401k.

The dumb thing about these threads is the answer is just YES. Go to either, and live your life. You can’t predict what will happen in 20 years so just go.

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Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3412302)

A little perspective. While the retirement list shows a drop off 15 to 20 years out, it will not be quite that sharp. Not everyone being hired by AA are all that young. There will be some hired that are in their 40s+.

My July newhire class at UAL has 50% of people above 35.

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Originally Posted by AAL24 (Post 3414460)

I should have said “almost exclusively” narrow body airline. UAL has a much higher percentage of widebody flying. AAL and UAL are not close when it comes to international network and widebody fleets. I think my original statement is correct. If a future newhire has widebody aspirations they are much better off going to United. If they want a quick upgrade then AAL is probably the better choice. Yes I expect United will replace group 4 acft 1:1 with 787s or 777x. https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/u...expansion/amp/

UAL has 200 widebody acft out of 610 total or 33% (according to APC)

AAL has 112 widebody acft out of 835 or 13%.

United also has a lot more 4 Pilot routes which drives higher staffing on group 4 acft.

I'm gonna disagree slightly about the upgrade. So long as you're ok with the reserve rules, upgrade at United right now on the NB can quite literally be: off probation and 500 company hours. There have been dozens of unfilled captain vacancies in the past 6 months. Yes that means guys with a year to two years seniority could have upgraded but said no thanks

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I’m thinking the OP already made their decision by now, but in light of UAL getting an AIP and AA offering a 4% pay raise 3 year into negotiations, is there even a question? Why join a place where your work life will be immersed in a toxic contract negotiations instead of going to UAL with a brand new industry leading contract and a happy cockpit culture? Seems like a no brainer to me.