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aeroengineer 05-16-2022 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by antbar01 (Post 3423541)
If they keep kicking the can down the road, the FAA flight physical might actually have to become, you know, a physical.

My guess is, if that happened, they’d lose 20% of current staffing—guys who are currently pencil whipped into the air would be LTDing in droves.

Enhanced physicals/1500 hours ATP Rule/Physical Fitness test similar to the military/Age 65 vs 67 and my suggestion on another thread police style body cameras to catch performance degradation. Can anyone argue that if you sit on the flight deck of an airliner you don't carry every bit the same responsibility to the public as a law enforcement officer while making a whole lot more money? EVERYONE is about safety and the traveling public until it adversely affects them or their bottom line.

Grease5667 05-16-2022 09:04 AM

An Update On Recent Events
Casey Murray, President
Much has occurred in the last week, and an update is in order. By now, most of you have heard talk of legislation being introduced to increase our retirement age from 65 to 67, possibly 68. Our Union’s long-standing position, as reflected in the SWAPA National Airline Policy (NAP), is that we are opposed to changing the FAA mandatory retirement age. The NAP, approved each year by our Board of Directors, guides our Government Affairs Committee as they represent our membership’s interests in Washington D.C.

Zard 05-16-2022 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by Grease5667 (Post 3423760)
An Update On Recent Events
Casey Murray, President
Much has occurred in the last week, and an update is in order. By now, most of you have heard talk of legislation being introduced to increase our retirement age from 65 to 67, possibly 68. Our Union’s long-standing position, as reflected in the SWAPA National Airline Policy (NAP), is that we are opposed to changing the FAA mandatory retirement age. The NAP, approved each year by our Board of Directors, guides our Government Affairs Committee as they represent our membership’s interests in Washington D.C.


I can’t believe they’re polling on this. Every year it gets voted at the BOD level to disagree with any push past age 65. Now we poll just to be double triple sure we don’t want this? Unbelievable. When the results come out 65-35 against pushing the retirement, we will look listless and weak.

Real strong backbone there, SWAPA.

rickair7777 05-16-2022 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by Zard (Post 3423788)
I can’t believe they’re polling on this. Every year it gets voted at the BOD level to disagree with any push past age 65. Now we poll just to be double triple sure we don’t want this? Unbelievable. When the results come out 65-35 against pushing the retirement, we will look listless and weak.

Real strong backbone there, SWAPA.

Necessary defensive move. If they don't have a recent poll or vote on the issue, members opposed to the official position can claim that the membership wasn't asked (years ago won't really count).

ZapBrannigan 05-16-2022 10:51 AM

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I hope that the bottom half of the seniority list votes NO with near unanimity! Increase in retirement age harms virtually everyone except for a very few who are the last few years of their careers. You can’t move the goal posts in the middle of the game! No FO should have to wait a further three years to upgrade while the pigs feed at the trough! No junior pilot should be stuck on a trans-con commute to reserve… or stuck flying weekends… or holidays… enduring stagnation, so that pilots who have had decades to prepare for retirement could be given a few more years at the top of the list.

PLEASE TALK TO YOUR FRIENDS, YOUR CLASSMATES, JUNIOR CAPTAINS, and get them to vote NO. There are more captains than FOs, and if we don’t organize and vote like our careers depend on it, we will stagnate as others prosper.

RJSAviator76 05-16-2022 10:53 AM

Too bad they didn’t have “F**!< NO” option…. Settled for a simple no.

Zard 05-16-2022 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by RJSAviator76 (Post 3423853)
Too bad they didn’t have “F**!< NO” option…. Settled for a simple no.

Quickest SWAPA poll I've ever taken.

PineappleXpres 05-16-2022 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by BLMPilot (Post 3423175)
That right there should tell you it’s an idiotic proposal.

For the win 🥇

PineappleXpres 05-16-2022 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by aeroengineer (Post 3423627)
Enhanced physicals/1500 hours ATP Rule/Physical Fitness test similar to the military/Age 65 vs 67 and my suggestion on another thread police style body cameras to catch performance degradation. Can anyone argue that if you sit on the flight deck of an airliner you don't carry every bit the same responsibility to the public as a law enforcement officer while making a whole lot more money? EVERYONE is about safety and the traveling public until it adversely affects them or their bottom line.

Body-cams mean wide body flying will go junior :-)

flyinglizard 05-16-2022 03:08 PM

Agreed completely
 

Originally Posted by at6d (Post 3421231)
You know that SWA will have captains jumping for joy about this one. The recruiters are going to have an even tougher time now.


I hope it doesn’t come to fruition. Extending the age is a bandaid. If they let the shortage play out, the market will eventually correct itself.

And if it goes yes, I personally don't see staying at SWA. Already updating my apps. 3 years still on reserve, already a ten year upgrade, and they want to increase it? And SWA is legendary for putting the needs of the most senior 5% over the rest of their pilot group. There is a wall, and on it I see some writing...


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