Retirement age 67
 

Either raise it or give me full SS benefits at 65…….

Just read the email and shaking my head. It’s like the Lost Decade fairy keeps following me around.

You and me both buddy. Been an FO since 1996… what’s a few more years? 😔

On the up side, I will probably get some free bbq out of the deal.

MAYBE, they will learn from the mistakes of the past and (if it has to be raised) phase it in, like 66 for two years, 67 for two years, 68 for two years etc so that we don't "shock-stall" the pilot creation system and no one age of pilots enjoy the full three years of added seniority.

Unreal. What a joke.

You know that SWA will have captains jumping for joy about this one. The recruiters are going to have an even tougher time now.

I hope it doesn’t come to fruition. Extending the age is a bandaid. If they let the shortage play out, the market will eventually correct itself.

evidence? details? reports? where is this?

Great. More babysitting.

SWAPA just sent out an email to membership. Our GAC just unearthed it.

It's time for Gen X to have a turn

I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I've been expecting something like this since watching regionals shut down due to staffing issues.

I'll call my reps and see if they know anything.

Retirement age 67
 

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Have a turn?

Aren't you a senior CA at the lazy U yet? I thought you'd been here for more than a couple of years..:).

I got no problem with age 67 as long as you’re willing to go back to the bottom of the seniority list. Keep your pay band and vacation, but go back on weekend reserve and stop being a greedy b@stard.

Welcome news for all of us. Getting a new contract before retirement might be possible now for someone in their 30s.

For many who got screwed by Age 65…..this actually counteracts that and gives them a few more years at the right end of the pay scale. But for others….it just means more time stuck in the mud.

I hope the old grandpas aren’t offended when a gen z has to take the controls during a boomer senior moment. After 65 an auto land should be required on their legs, plus they should be banned from landing at certain airports.

With all due respect, I am barely Gen X, on the older side. 25 years in, 10 years left, and on my 4th company (all involuntary). I would not be unhappy with the chance to fund my kids college funds (because I could not afford kids the first 10 years of my career, so they are still young), and put some extra away for me. I am sure there's plenty of us in that situation, not all 55+ year-olds have been WB captain at a legacy for the last 25 years. Also not asking for violins or crying rivers.

That makes some assumptions. The first being that we all went back to the airlines we were furloughed from. But after the 65 increase, the furloughs were extended so long that many of us just moved on and started over. About a 12 year hit for me.

It also assumes they're already in the left seat. If not, it's just another hit to career earnings.

It also assumes we would medically be able to fly to 67 to recoup those lost earnings. That's a big gamble.

My comment covered all those assumptions. Good for SOME. Not good for others. You are clearly in the “others” camp. It’s a pretty $hitty system when we all have to hope for the end of somebody else’s livelihood to bolster our own. I just hope we all start to get some better contracts and it won’t be such an issue to have people ahead of us.

What would happen if you mandatory retired before this went effective (if that were to happen)

The challenge for new contracts will be pilot demand dented by age 67, pax airlines still losing money, and possibly (after last quarter’s contraction) a recession. Not exactly the climate for negotiating a contract I would desire.

I'm counting on being able to go on LTD if the age changes. So, $11K/mo tax free.
That will help supplement my income as a Walmart greeter.

Once you're off your seniority list, it's permanent

I wonder if people would go fly 121 somewhere for 2-3 years at bottom of the list?

Wow. Dramatic much? I’m totally against raising the age but what a crock of $7it you’re spewing.

I would guess the legacies would stop hiring for a few years if nobody is retiring. But I guess the regionals would be hiring.

do you really think though all the 65 year olds are gonna be like let me stay at this another 2-3 years cdc life expectancy male is 76.3… I feel like some folks would take the opportunity but some would still retire?

Delta would still have to hire the next two years to meet its growth goals. We’re hiring more than we’re retiring by a long shot.

When SWA offered the early out packages, we had several that took it and then went to other 121 carriers I.e. FedEx.

I love coupled approaches! Don't get your old man pants in a wad, maybe they'll even load our luggage in the van for us. All in good fun! My retirement plan is medical out by 64 and ride that LTD to 68 baby!

I’m guessing the majority that will oppose (like me) were absolutely hammered in our careers from 2000 on. Obviously starting with 9/11, the ATP requirements, the Age 65 change, and the 2008 recession led to the “Lost Decade” generation of pilots, especially coming from the regional world. Those coming aboard a major now, especially to carriers like Delta, United, and American, may not be affected as much due to the mass retirements. Sure, I decided to go to SWA when I got the chance in 2015 after having to leave the regionals to build turbine PIC time in the corporate world (which took almost a decade alone). This would without a doubt increase an already high upgrade time for our generation. I’m in my 14th year of 121 and still have years to go before an upgrade.

Serious question. How many went to the 91/135 world?

I could use it!

Airline #2 shut down in 2008, after being downgraded for 4 years, and a very positive, but insincere, suitor leading us to stick around. I was happy at this place all the same.

With the recession, and being out of work several times between contract work in 3 other counties, it's taken me a long time to get a respectable flying gig in the USA.

I instructed at two majors. The industry doesn't respect instructors. Not a lucrative position.

So, I'm flying again. Bottom of the list at 56. Based where I live. Happy about it.

I also have to plan to live until 95. Didn't think that was possible, but seeing my 88 y.o. father, former smoker, half a lung, still hanging on, I don't think 65 and out is going to work for me.

I could use it. I think I've put up with a enough sh!t from this industry.

739. Seriously, do you think anyone has that data at their fingertips??? :confused:

I don't have the breakdown of pilots that make it to 65, but I am sure it is a high percentage. I am sure it will be the same at 67. I remember interviewing at Pinnacle with a bunch of pilots that missed the last age change. It will play out the same way, 401k is way down, inflation, why retire when I am making 300k with 6 weeks vacation, etc.... Lather, rinse and repeat. Pilot career never changes, nor do pilots. Plus I am pretty sure we are already in a recession. Seems like more and more people are getting laid off outside of aviation.

no doubt.....can't even work an iPad....what are they going to do when printing the release goes away?!! oh the horror....I'm done, just done....they all had there careers, time for the next generation...I want to be senior, not a senior citizen.

Wow. Sorry wasn't expecting an exact number just a ballpark if known.