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Originally Posted by flyinglizard
(Post 3424029)
And if it goes yes, I personally don't see staying at SWA. Already updating my apps. 3 years still on reserve, already a ten year upgrade, and they want to increase it? And SWA is legendary for putting the needs of the most senior 5% over the rest of their pilot group. There is a wall, and on it I see some writing...
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
(Post 3424034)
do you think other airlines will be affected less so than SWA? Less than 500 pilots retiring from SWA in the next 3 years...
The whole idea is to slow down the hiring needs at the big 3, which is what's causing the attrition at other carriers. Slow it down so OO only loses 100 pilots per month. |
Looking at the thread on the WN union page, it seems the 60/30 is accurate.
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Originally Posted by at6d
(Post 3424129)
Looking at the thread on the WN union page, it seems the 60/30 is accurate.
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Originally Posted by at6d
(Post 3424129)
Looking at the thread on the WN union page, it seems the 60/30 is accurate.
Look how they handled vacation. They polled us on changes to vacation bidding in what, 2015? The pilot group overwhelmingly asked for a change… and here we are in 2022, with the senior folks still block bidding the whole summer and using those weeks as a commodity to trade for premium weeks throughout the calendar, then bidding premium over the summer vacation that some family with school aged kids would’ve given their right arm for. |
Is SWAPA the pilot group that is behind the push? Are they individually lobbying Lindsey Graham? Are they acting in conjunction with other unions, or just doing what they want to do? Is the SWA pilot group pushing SWAPA, or is it SWAPA pushing their pilots?
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Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450
(Post 3424034)
do you think other airlines will be affected less so than SWA? Less than 500 pilots retiring from SWA in the next 3 years...
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
(Post 3424146)
I suspect SWAPA already knows what they intend to do.
Look how they handled vacation. They polled us on changes to vacation bidding in what, 2015? The pilot group overwhelmingly asked for a change… and here we are in 2022, with the senior folks still block bidding the whole summer and using those weeks as a commodity to trade for premium weeks throughout the calendar, then bidding premium over the summer vacation that some family with school aged kids would’ve given their right arm for. |
Originally Posted by baseball
(Post 3424155)
Is SWAPA the pilot group that is behind the push? Are they individually lobbying Lindsey Graham? Are they acting in conjunction with other unions, or just doing what they want to do? Is the SWA pilot group pushing SWAPA, or is it SWAPA pushing their pilots?
They'll trot out some willing pilots to testify that raising the age is a good thing to help alleviate the shortage. They'll get AARP support on it to oppose age discrimination. They'll point out that it will save the social security trust fund money. But all of that's kubuki theater for the public - the political contributions will ensure passage of an age change. We're just pawns in the game. My guess is that ICAO's rules will also change within a year or two after the US. Because you can bet there will be plenty of palms greased. |
Originally Posted by Andy
(Post 3424208)
The management at airlines are behind the push. Reducing training costs for two years is a big savings for all airlines. They're probably making a lot of campaign contributions right now, spreading it around among politicians they expect to be in office next year - good timing since it's an election year.
They'll trot out some willing pilots to testify that raising the age is a good thing to help alleviate the shortage. They'll get AARP support on it to oppose age discrimination. They'll point out that it will save the social security trust fund money. But all of that's kubuki theater for the public - the political contributions will ensure passage of an age change. We're just pawns in the game. My guess is that ICAO's rules will also change within a year or two after the US. Because you can bet there will be plenty of palms greased. |
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