Retirement age 67
05-17-2022, 12:31 PM
#201
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Originally Posted by Hedley
Those are the guys who would fail a cognitive test. You’d have to be brain dead to retire with any time in your sick bank. We had one that retired in IAH with something like 1,100 hrs in his bank….AND HE WAS PROUD OF IT. Red Foreman from That 70’s show had a word for people like that.
I've flown with several like him.Ironically, at 90 hrs/mo, he could have been on SL for his last 14 months before retirement. Or just call in sick for one trip a month and pick up one extra trip per month for the last couple of years.
05-17-2022, 12:56 PM
#202
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This will cause more problems than it solves. Bureaucracy will show its ugly head as a result of placing a band-aid on a bullet wound. Which, if it is coming down the pipe, I'll agree to end of calender year at age 65, domestic only. C'mon what's the appreciable difference between up to 365 days vs 2 years anyway.
05-17-2022, 01:28 PM
#203
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Originally Posted by Andy
I saw that on CNBC this AM. I think he knows exactly where pilots stand on an age change and just said that to please the bulk of United pilots.
How much would he reap in training savings if he squeezed another two years out of each pilot?
How much would he reap in training savings if he squeezed another two years out of each pilot?
Originally Posted by Andy
No, there are a lot of retirements happening at the big 3. Plus they're trying to grow. I don't have the number of retirements for 2022 at United, but it's likely in excess of 400.
05-17-2022, 01:39 PM
#204
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
We'll see. In 2007 they adapted to to the prevailing winds...
"As the wheels of FAA rulemaking grind inexorably forward, the nation’s largest union of airline pilots executed a 180-degree turn on mandatory retirement for airline pilots at age 60. In late May, the executive board of the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) voted by an 80-percent margin to end its four-decade opposition to any efforts to raise the limit. The union said that in the face of concerted efforts to change the rule by Congress and the FAA, the executive board directed that union resources be committed to protecting pilot interests by exerting ALPA’s influence in any rule change."
Will ALPA prefer to be party to the process once again? Or risk being relegated to outsider obstructionist status? The older guys who tend to make up top union leadership have a vested interest in avoiding additional medical screening for older pilots... especially if it were to get applied under age 65
Also the politics are more complicated that just "Dems Love Labor", there's also the age-ism aspect (consider the top Dem leadership for a moment ). Also the risk of a summer-long travel meltdown right before mid-terms. Would age 67 prevent that? Probably not. Would it appear that politicians are doing some thing, anything? Yes.
"As the wheels of FAA rulemaking grind inexorably forward, the nation’s largest union of airline pilots executed a 180-degree turn on mandatory retirement for airline pilots at age 60. In late May, the executive board of the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) voted by an 80-percent margin to end its four-decade opposition to any efforts to raise the limit. The union said that in the face of concerted efforts to change the rule by Congress and the FAA, the executive board directed that union resources be committed to protecting pilot interests by exerting ALPA’s influence in any rule change."
Will ALPA prefer to be party to the process once again? Or risk being relegated to outsider obstructionist status? The older guys who tend to make up top union leadership have a vested interest in avoiding additional medical screening for older pilots... especially if it were to get applied under age 65
Also the politics are more complicated that just "Dems Love Labor", there's also the age-ism aspect (consider the top Dem leadership for a moment
). Also the risk of a summer-long travel meltdown right before mid-terms. Would age 67 prevent that? Probably not. Would it appear that politicians are doing some thing, anything? Yes.Last edited by guppie; 05-17-2022 at 01:54 PM.
05-17-2022, 03:56 PM
#205
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
We'll see. In 2007 they adapted to to the prevailing winds...
"As the wheels of FAA rulemaking grind inexorably forward, the nation’s largest union of airline pilots executed a 180-degree turn on mandatory retirement for airline pilots at age 60. In late May, the executive board of the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) voted by an 80-percent margin to end its four-decade opposition to any efforts to raise the limit. The union said that in the face of concerted efforts to change the rule by Congress and the FAA, the executive board directed that union resources be committed to protecting pilot interests by exerting ALPA’s influence in any rule change."
Will ALPA prefer to be party to the process once again? Or risk being relegated to outsider obstructionist status? The older guys who tend to make up top union leadership have a vested interest in avoiding additional medical screening for older pilots... especially if it were to get applied under age 65
Also the politics are more complicated that just "Dems Love Labor", there's also the age-ism aspect (consider the top Dem leadership for a moment ). Also the risk of a summer-long travel meltdown right before mid-terms. Would age 67 prevent that? Probably not. Would it appear that politicians are doing some thing, anything? Yes.
"As the wheels of FAA rulemaking grind inexorably forward, the nation’s largest union of airline pilots executed a 180-degree turn on mandatory retirement for airline pilots at age 60. In late May, the executive board of the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) voted by an 80-percent margin to end its four-decade opposition to any efforts to raise the limit. The union said that in the face of concerted efforts to change the rule by Congress and the FAA, the executive board directed that union resources be committed to protecting pilot interests by exerting ALPA’s influence in any rule change."
Will ALPA prefer to be party to the process once again? Or risk being relegated to outsider obstructionist status? The older guys who tend to make up top union leadership have a vested interest in avoiding additional medical screening for older pilots... especially if it were to get applied under age 65
Also the politics are more complicated that just "Dems Love Labor", there's also the age-ism aspect (consider the top Dem leadership for a moment
). Also the risk of a summer-long travel meltdown right before mid-terms. Would age 67 prevent that? Probably not. Would it appear that politicians are doing some thing, anything? Yes.
05-17-2022, 04:05 PM
#206
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Originally Posted by nene
A bit of irony that your qualified to be US president (or 2/3 of our federal govt for that matter) at age 79 but not fly a multi piloted aircraft....
Today they can wake POTUS up at 0230, tell him the rooskies just launched the big one and he has 90 seconds to decide what to do. Should have an age limit of 75 or so... on the day he/she LEAVES office. Just from a national security perspective.
05-18-2022, 04:43 AM
#207
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I understand the angst against moving up the retirement age. I hope it gets raised for one simple reason. I would like to get on an airliner, after paying a high price to do so, and ACTUALLY BE ON TIME! I am so sick of hearing about No crew! Yes, I know this is the airlines fault. Yes I know they saw this coming. Neither of those things solves my problem as a consumer. Raising the age, even if only temporary, and for domestic only, gives them 2 years to catch up.
The word is out that being a commercial pilot pays well. Flight schools are filling up. The pipelines will be full in a couple of years. An age increase would allow the majors to stop hiring pilots away from the regionals at such a fast clip, allowing the regionals to catch up to the training gap. This would be a great thing for the industry and the consumer. Obviously a bad thing for the current pilots waiting to move forward.
The word is out that being a commercial pilot pays well. Flight schools are filling up. The pipelines will be full in a couple of years. An age increase would allow the majors to stop hiring pilots away from the regionals at such a fast clip, allowing the regionals to catch up to the training gap. This would be a great thing for the industry and the consumer. Obviously a bad thing for the current pilots waiting to move forward.
05-18-2022, 06:02 AM
#208
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The lost decade gets hosed yet again. 7-8 total years of stagnant career progression only to be met with single pilot ops towards the end of their careers. This is a giant NO from me. If you’re 64 it’s time for you to retire and enjoy the rest of your life not boning everyone underneath you on the seniority list.
05-18-2022, 06:27 AM
#209
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Originally Posted by JackStraw
The lost decade gets hosed yet again. 7-8 total years of stagnant career progression only to be met with single pilot ops towards the end of their careers. This is a giant NO from me. If you’re 64 it’s time for you to retire and enjoy the rest of your life not boning everyone underneath you on the seniority list.
05-18-2022, 06:40 AM
#210
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Originally Posted by JackStraw
The lost decade gets hosed yet again. 7-8 total years of stagnant career progression only to be met with single pilot ops towards the end of their careers. This is a giant NO from me. If you’re 64 it’s time for you to retire and enjoy the rest of your life not boning everyone underneath you on the seniority list.
Who wants to step out of the cockpit and into the casket?!
My career has been impacted by:
- Pay for training
- The introduction of regional jets (fewer mainline jobs)
- 9/11 and a half decade furlough
- Age 65 extending that furlough
- The 2008 recession
- The Max grounding
- The global pandemic
- and now age 68?!
Gimme a break. I know they say that timing is everything, but I was 25 when I was hired by my first major. How much better could my timing have been?! I would like to upgrade at my last major sometime before retirement…
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