HA!
Easily denied….just say you edited the picture
I bet you’re fun to fly with

EXTORTION, WN had a MCO captain that tried to EXTORT money from another captain,or he would turn him in. I see the love is strong at the LUV airline. :)

Easy to disprove. Good to know your first instinct when called out is to lie. Boomers gonna boom.

Age 68 is coming will be part of the FAA reauthorization bill. It's a done deal. More important to stabilize air service and serve all communities and ensure Airlines can meet their growth targets than listen to some organizations that is out of touch with its own membership. Pilots are overwhelmingly in support of age 67/68 in spite of ALPAs BS

yeah…. No we arent

What bill is this? The 2018 bill? Or a future, not-yet-in-existence, bill?

APA and ALPA oppose extending beyond 65.

Maybe your lobbyists and donors are bigger than they are.

Current administration is pro-union and picks up Line-1 when the union is calling.

https://www.alliedpilots.org/News/ID...ultiple-Fronts

https://www.alpa.org/news-and-events...retirement-age

You are so detached from reality and narcissistic it’s as if you are a caricature of a boomer.

SWAPA polled the group. It’s a no.

I hope you are a troll because I refuse to believe anyone could actually subscribe to this level of nonsense.

Negative. We are not. Go get a hobby and enjoy retirement.

Don't forget A4A. They don't want it either. No one wants it but greedy old pilots..

Ok boomer.

Did you do a formal poll of “greedy old pilots”?

Children say the funniest things without research. Reminds me of the typical… Ready… Fire… Aim!

Not all old pilots are greedy. But the vast majority of pilots who want the age raised or removed are old. And they are 100% greedy. So yes, it is fair to say that greedy old pilots are the ones pushing for this.
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Ehh…I’m not that old. I would like it to be raised. Not right away…..but maybe in about 10-15 years or so.

Newsflash: we are all greedy. The people that don't wan't the age raised are just as greedy as the ones who do want it. greedy for QOL and keeping the fast flow or upgrade, so the same thing. to oppose change because it negatively affects you has the excact same motivation as to want change because it positively affects you: greed & selfishness. normal human behavior that both sides exhibit in equal amounts.

Hey!!! Look!! An adult actually contributed to the discussion. Well done!!! 🥃🥃

No, but nice try.

It would only be greedy young pilots if there was a faction pushing for Age 56 (same as air traffic controllers) or something.

Just because there is no inverse call for the the age to be lowered doesn’t invalidate his point. And based on multiple comments on this thread, it would appear if there was any way that would be entertained rationally, there would be those who would celebrate it.

Pushing for 56 is the exact same thing as pushing to keep 65. Any age is pretty much arbitrary. Your resistance to change is because of your greed and selfishness. It took me 20 years to break $100K as a pilot, and 5 of those were because of age 65. You know what I didn't do? Pretend that I was angry because it was unfair to other people.

None of the younger pilots are pushing for Age 56. And it was an example, it's not really a thing.

And no, by no stretch of the imagination, would continuing with the status quo of 65 be the same as pushing for Age 56.

you are the one who brought it up. I just said that everyone is in the game for themselves and trying to deny that is what I was calling out.
Also hate prune juice.

Still a negative there. You calling the opposing groups the same doesn't make it so.

Both groups agreed to a set of terms when they joined the profession. Now, one group wants to change those terms to benefit themselves. That is the difference.

There's a big difference between not wanting to further devalue your career for the benefit of the few and wanting to move the retirement age so you can spend years longer in the most lucrative and highest QOL position. Both are not greed.

Greed, selfishness can outlast any career. Fit & still frisky, water cannon at 80. Why not?

If airliners aren’t all single/0 pilot 30 years from now I’ll eat my hat. I want my money now, not a longer career after 2-3 years of stagnation. I sincerely hope those who have been able to retire in aviation, and have been planning on retirement at 65 can enjoy their next chapter.

Nope. That is not what is happening. No big lobby of grey pilots asking for age 68. Only thing I said was that your motivation to keep the status quo is exactly as selfish as those wanting to change it. And as far as agreeing to a set of terms, pulleeeze give me a break. 3 pilot cockpit, far 117, 1500 hour rule, do i need to go on? The only reason you are against age 68 is because you don't benefit from it. Admit it and move on. That's what I did when age 65 happened.

You are about as far out of reality as that MyTime2025 troll.

I would benefit from changing the rule to Age 68. So not only are you incorrect in your accusations against me, you are flat out wrong in your reading of other people's motivations.

Are you still an FO at LUV? My guess is FO.
What's your age? My guess is early 50s.
Answer those questions and then we can talk about motivations.

nope but nice try.

oh and “ordering” someone to answer your questions over the internet is a very silly look.

LOL! Of course you aren't going to answer the questions because your motivation becomes very clear.

'Ordering'? Yep, definitely a retired kernel.

And you're a LUV FO who was hired in late 2017/early 2018.

I went with low 50s as a high guess; your age is high 40s.

Well, if that is true you are not smart. And I can guarantee that if you are against age 58 out of the goodness of your heart, you are a very small minority (of 1)..

He'll be in favor of an age change AFTER he gets in the left seat at LUV... 2028 or so?

I can't disagree with your motivation. It is the same as it is for those that waited 5 years, and now have a chance to get half of that back....

Since this has reached the level of absurdity.......

How do you feel about Biden forgiving student loans?

When it got moved to 65 …. the argument…. IN FAVOR…. by ALAPA…. was that it’s not a one sided benefit because if it gets moved to a later age…. everyone Junior will ALSO get to fly till the later date. Moving in the opposite direction (younger…. Not that anyone is proposing that) would have a truly one sided benefit.

itd be interested to find an ALPA communication in support of the 60-65 jump from back in the day, replace it with 65 - 68 or whatever and put it out there just for the benefit of those who weren’t flying yet to see how ALPA “sold” it.

Not absurdity; obfuscation on your part. You're a LUV FO and will oppose any age change until you get your fourth stripe. Then you'll have a 'change of heart' and be all in favor of increasing the age limit.

Easy, I don't have one, so I am against.

hahaha, both of you are so wrong it's funny. Actually, I'm starting to think the two accounts and MyTime2025 are the same.

Anyway, I ran the numbers Age 68 or 70 or whatever would result in HIGHER earnings for me....yet I am still opposed to it.

Why? Simple, same as the student loans deal. If you agree to certain terms you should stick to them. There is a moral inferiority with those who enter into agreements and then advocate for legislation to change the terms to favor themselves. I won't do it. Others it appears, have no problem sinking to that level. At least they loudly self identify!