Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major
ALPA: Don't raise retirement age >

ALPA: Don't raise retirement age

Search

Notices
Major Legacy, National, and LCC

ALPA: Don't raise retirement age

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-20-2022 | 07:54 PM
  #21  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 576
Likes: 13
Default

Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
Nearly impossible to get to 1500 in less than two years, and for most it costs well over $100k. The hill between wet commercial and 1500 is too steep to climb for most, especially given the training costs. That's really the crux of the issue. And as such, it does indeed create a high barrier to entry.
What? As far as I know, every person I met while training/building time in my first few jobs had 1500 and were at a regional in well under 2 years. I did it in 14 months. It’s no where remotely close to “nearly impossible”.

Where were you learning to fly and build time? My next push will be to advocate for 2500tt to sit at a regional.
Reply
Old 05-21-2022 | 01:33 AM
  #22  
PineappleXpres's Avatar
Line Holder
 
Joined: Apr 2022
Posts: 1,783
Likes: 131
Default

You’re welcome swapa
Reply
Old 05-21-2022 | 04:21 AM
  #23  
WHACKMASTER's Avatar
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 7,578
Likes: 286
From: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Default

Originally Posted by sonicflyer
so the unions don't want to allow an extension of retirement age, and they don't want to lower the artificially high entry barrier, so what solutions are they actually coming up with to help solve at least the current short term acute pilot shortage?
🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂ ️
Reply
Old 05-21-2022 | 06:24 AM
  #24  
Margaritaville's Avatar
It's 5 o'clock somewhere
 
Joined: Oct 2020
Posts: 2,671
Likes: 17
Default

Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
That doesn't solve anything in the short term. Maybe not even the mid-term.
False cause and effect. Neither lowering the entry requirements or extending the retirement age at the current point in time will have any effect on wages. Nearly impossible to get to 1500 in less than two years, and for most it costs well over $100k. The hill between wet commercial and 1500 is too steep to climb for most, especially given the training costs. That's really the crux of the issue. And as such, it does indeed create a high barrier to entry.
You run a flight school and a crappy 135. You're management. This is your problem to solve. Not labor. Bye now.
Reply
Old 05-21-2022 | 06:25 AM
  #25  
Margaritaville's Avatar
It's 5 o'clock somewhere
 
Joined: Oct 2020
Posts: 2,671
Likes: 17
Default

Originally Posted by Skeet20
They will cave. ALPA like SWAPA has screwed the pilots more than once. Just ask the TWA or AirTran guys.
Exactly. Just like they did last time. ALPA is like an angry chihuahua. They make a lot of noise but run when it gets bad for them.
Reply
Old 05-21-2022 | 07:16 AM
  #26  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jul 2021
Posts: 1,035
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by fadec
It's a training shortage, not a pilot shortage. There are still plenty of 1500+ hour qualified guys on the street but the airlines can't train them fast enough. So a flight cancels and they cry "pilot shortage" when they actually should be saying "demand is back and we downsized for covid and now we can't train fast enough, plz help".
Yep I know a few guys sitting at home getting paid bc the regional they got hired at can’t train them. Why? Bc the instructors keep leaving. Why bc the majors pay better. No shortage of 1500hr pilots. Shortage of money.
Reply
Old 05-21-2022 | 07:51 AM
  #27  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined: Jul 2021
Posts: 1,035
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by Margaritaville
You run a flight school and a crappy 135. You're management. This is your problem to solve. Not labor. Bye now.
It would align with your post history. You certainly cannot be an airline pilot.
Reply
Old 05-21-2022 | 07:56 AM
  #28  
Line Holder
 
Joined: Sep 2017
Posts: 92
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
That doesn't solve anything in the short term. Maybe not even the mid-term.
False cause and effect. Neither lowering the entry requirements or extending the retirement age at the current point in time will have any effect on wages. Nearly impossible to get to 1500 in less than two years, and for most it costs well over $100k. The hill between wet commercial and 1500 is too steep to climb for most, especially given the training costs. That's really the crux of the issue. And as such, it does indeed create a high barrier to entry.
You are significantly missing the point.
Reply
Old 05-21-2022 | 08:23 AM
  #29  
rickair7777's Avatar
Prime Minister/Moderator
Veteran: Navy
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 45,120
Likes: 796
From: Engines Turn or People Swim
Default

Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
That doesn't solve anything in the short term. Maybe not even the mid-term.
False cause and effect. Neither lowering the entry requirements or extending the retirement age at the current point in time will have any effect on wages. Nearly impossible to get to 1500 in less than two years, and for most it costs well over $100k. The hill between wet commercial and 1500 is too steep to climb for most, especially given the training costs. That's really the crux of the issue. And as such, it does indeed create a high barrier to entry.
Take wet commercials, put them in ASEL with another wet commercial and assign them specific flight IFR operations. Make them use checklists and airline crew style procedures. You could even velcro dummy controls to the panel for added complexity.

Both log it, safety pilot, or just get the FAA to authorize SIC for the training evolution... that's 1250/2 = 625 hours each, or about $90K per student at market rental rates. You could get that cost lower by running your own large fleet.

Obligated service at that legacy's regionals to pay it back.

Maybe get the FAA to authorize R-ATP at 1000 hours for those that complete the program.
Reply
Old 05-21-2022 | 08:34 AM
  #30  
BoilerUP's Avatar
Doing One Pilot's Job
 
Joined: Sep 2005
Posts: 7,886
Likes: 121
Default

Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
CRJAV8OR
Major
36
03-27-2012 11:06 AM
BIGBROWNDC8
Cargo
7
10-22-2007 03:33 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices