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Old 05-20-2022, 09:12 AM
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ALPA has officially adopted a resolution opposing any attempts to increase the retirement age for professional airline pilots.


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ALPA has officially adopted a resolution opposing any attempts to increase the retirement age for professional airline pilots.


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Good.
Fix the problem.
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Glad I didn’t have to sue to get my dues back. They made the right choice this time
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ALPA has officially adopted a resolution opposing any attempts to increase the retirement age for professional airline pilots.


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It's been their policy for years. And good.
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So the unions don't want to allow an extension of retirement age, and they don't want to lower the artificially high entry barrier, so what solutions are they actually coming up with to help solve at least the current short term acute pilot shortage?
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So the unions don't want to allow an extension of retirement age, and they don't want to lower the artificially high entry barrier, so what solutions are they actually coming up with to help solve at least the current short term acute pilot shortage?
The only option left: increase pay and QoL to attract more people to the industry.
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So the unions don't want to allow an extension of retirement age, and they don't want to lower the artificially high entry barrier, so what solutions are they actually coming up with to help solve at least the current short term acute pilot shortage?
Why should they bother, it's not really their problem to solve???

They've been telling the airlines this was coming for years. Airlines had plenty of time to do something, although covid was a big distraction at the wrong moment.

If airlines didn't want to massively raise compensation and QOL, they could have easily setup paid ab-initio pipelines about five years ago and they'd be fine. Zero => CPL/CFI =>CFI (or just paid to to turn avgas into noise) to 1500 hours => regional => mainline. You'd have all the takers you'd need for that.
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So the unions don't want to allow an extension of retirement age, and they don't want to lower the artificially high entry barrier, so what solutions are they actually coming up with to help solve at least the current short term acute pilot shortage?
yeah, the unions are the bad guys for not wanting to devalue the labor of their members
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So the unions don't want to allow an extension of retirement age, and they don't want to lower the artificially high entry barrier, so what solutions are they actually coming up with to help solve at least the current short term acute pilot shortage?
There are more ATP holders than commercial pilot jobs. How is that a shortage?
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Why should they bother, it's not really their problem to solve???

If airlines didn't want to massively raise compensation and QOL, they could have easily setup paid ab-initio pipelines about five years ago and they'd be fine. Zero => CPL/CFI =>CFI (or just paid to to turn avgas into noise) to 1500 hours => regional => mainline. You'd have all the takers you'd need for that.
ROI timeframe. How do you convince someone to invest in an idea that may take 5-10 years to pay off? Especially when the competition isn't. Similarly in the military I used to call it three year good idea rule. If something briefs well and at least appears to look good for three years the principal actors have all gotten promoted/PCS/retired before an idea craters and even if it does do well they typically aren't around to see any extended benefit, financial or otherwise. People just don't look much beyond 2-3 years and yes I've been guilty too.
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