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Danger Close 06-16-2022 03:34 AM


Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3441827)
Actually he’s spot on in his assessment.

The corporate jets I fly are getting bigger and more expensive, and yet executives dress more casual. Don’t tie your worth to some flair that you wear when clearly business culture (not wokism or anything like that ) has shifted.

dualinput 06-16-2022 04:19 AM


Originally Posted by Danger Close (Post 3441844)
The corporate jets I fly are getting bigger and more expensive, and yet executives dress more casual. Don’t tie your worth to some flair that you wear when clearly business culture (not wokism or anything like that ) has shifted.

Sorry changing the uniform to something similar to a towel boy at a nice hotel gives the appearance that your are more hired help and less in command. The help will always demand and get less compensation than someone being compensated to make command decisions sometimes at the expense of owners.

I see it with my friends that aren’t pilots. They will all name “culture” as a reason they like or stay at their jobs. Attire is a big part of that. I ask them if they would ask for more money if they had to wear a suit and tie to work and they all say yes. I then ask well how much money are you foregoing just for your casual dress code and culture. My neighbor just changed jobs for a 50% raise in compensation. He’s literally thinking about returning to his last job the regain his work from home and casual dress culture. His new job requires he dress somewhat professionally and drive 20min to an office each day.

What do you think the pet Halloween costume contests and whatever other BS HR events are? All culture to make you feel more satisfied because when you’re satisfied you don’t ask for more money

Danger Close 06-16-2022 04:31 AM


Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3441857)
Sorry changing the uniform to something similar to a towel boy at a nice hotel gives the appearance that your are more hired help and less in command. The help will always demand and get less compensation than someone being compensated to make command decisions sometimes at the expense of owners.

I see it with my friends that aren’t pilots. They will all name “culture” as a reason they like or stay at their jobs. Attire is a big part of that. I ask them if they would ask for more money if they had to wear a suit and tie to work and they all say yes. I then ask well how much money are you foregoing just for your casual dress code and culture. My neighbor just changed jobs for a 50% raise in compensation. He’s literally thinking about returning to his last job the regain his work from home and casual dress culture. His new job requires he dress somewhat professionally and drive 20min to an office each day.

What do you think the pet Halloween costume contests and whatever other BS HR events are? All culture to make you feel more satisfied because when you’re satisfied you don’t ask for more money

We agree to disagree then

Cyio 06-16-2022 04:53 AM


Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3441812)
A trendy or “less professional” uniform ala Bonza is just another way for corporations to get you to exchange compensation for culture. It’s crazy how much compensation people will let go to not wear a suit to work, or work from home.

Agreed to a point. I don't think we need to be strapping on a double blazer and hat every trip but do think there needs to be some semblance of professionalism in the job. Where that line is, I don't know, but white sneakers is probably a bit too far lol.

Originally Posted by Myfingershurt (Post 3441819)
It amazes me how much old guys want to hang on to unneeded outdated culture because their identity is tied up in a ridiculous uniform.

I am very certain that he isn't an "old guy".

Myfingershurt 06-16-2022 05:13 AM


Originally Posted by dualinput (Post 3441857)
Sorry changing the uniform to something similar to a towel boy at a nice hotel gives the appearance that your are more hired help and less in command. The help will always demand and get less compensation than someone being compensated to make command decisions sometimes at the expense of owners.

I see it with my friends that aren’t pilots. They will all name “culture” as a reason they like or stay at their jobs. Attire is a big part of that. I ask them if they would ask for more money if they had to wear a suit and tie to work and they all say yes. I then ask well how much money are you foregoing just for your casual dress code and culture. My neighbor just changed jobs for a 50% raise in compensation. He’s literally thinking about returning to his last job the regain his work from home and casual dress culture. His new job requires he dress somewhat professionally and drive 20min to an office each day.

What do you think the pet Halloween costume contests and whatever other BS HR events are? All culture to make you feel more satisfied because when you’re satisfied you don’t ask for more money

By your argument i should be making way more money because i hate pilot culture more everyday i come to work. Where’s my stupid hat?

JamesNoBrakes 06-16-2022 05:19 AM

The pilot uniform is all based on nautical captain/officer uniforms. And they had beards.

Big E 757 06-16-2022 08:19 PM


Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo (Post 3441441)
Meanwhile Avelo pilots laugh because they get a flower and 8 stripes with their uniforms.

After all the years of Spirit, Frontier, and Allegiant Pilots complaining about Legacy pilots “looking down their noses”, or otherwise not treating LCC pilots with respect, it’s funny to watch you guys and girls bagging on Avelo Pilots. What’s the problem? Are you angry that they are willing to work for less money? Is that threatening you or your job security? You think they are lesser pilots, even though they fly comparable sized aircraft to you guys. They are pilots too.

Cyio 06-17-2022 04:19 AM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 3442541)
After all the years of Spirit, Frontier, and Allegiant Pilots complaining about Legacy pilots “looking down their noses”, or otherwise not treating LCC pilots with respect, it’s funny to watch you guys and girls bagging on Avelo Pilots. What’s the problem? Are you angry that they are willing to work for less money? Is that threatening you or your job security? You think they are lesser pilots, even though they fly comparable sized aircraft to you guys. They are pilots too.

lol, had that one in the holster ready to go for awhile now haven't ya.

CincoDeMayo 06-17-2022 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 3442541)
After all the years of Spirit, Frontier, and Allegiant Pilots complaining about Legacy pilots “looking down their noses”, or otherwise not treating LCC pilots with respect, it’s funny to watch you guys and girls bagging on Avelo Pilots. What’s the problem? Are you angry that they are willing to work for less money? Is that threatening you or your job security? You think they are lesser pilots, even though they fly comparable sized aircraft to you guys. They are pilots too.

It’s called a joke. They wear flowers and their stripes are funny. It’s like how we also laugh at Delta pilots for the blazer. See, nobody is immune.

Shouldn’t be so easily triggered.

Halon1211 06-17-2022 05:54 AM


Originally Posted by Big E 757 (Post 3442541)
After all the years of Spirit, Frontier, and Allegiant Pilots complaining about Legacy pilots “looking down their noses”, or otherwise not treating LCC pilots with respect, it’s funny to watch you guys and girls bagging on Avelo Pilots. What’s the problem? Are you angry that they are willing to work for less money? Is that threatening you or your job security? You think they are lesser pilots, even though they fly comparable sized aircraft to you guys. They are pilots too.


That’s pretty rich coming from a Delta pilot…


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