Yup. Exactly why govt making decisions about s#!t they know nothing about always helps right? Le sigh.

Wow. This thread has gotten really, REALLY ugly. There are some way over the top generalizations being thrown around. I’m just shaking my head.

Same as with contract negotiations nobody over the age of 60 should have a say or a vote.
Its about out future not yours.

Oh Jesus, of course Boebert co-sponsored it. That's how you know it's an extra terrible idea.

This is a dumb solution to a self created problem. I find it interesting that if you look at the list, a lot of these senators are from places that I’d bet are mostly served by regionals and one from Colorado. That’s where Denver is, and if she doesn’t fly out of Denver, more likely regional service to Denver. I’d bet it’s personally motivated because they’re personally annoyed and frustrated at the delays.

The proposed solution, I’d bet would do almost nothing perception wise to the flying public. First, how many will actually make it to 67? Let’s say 50-75%. Ok so the problem is 50-75% less bad right? No.

All the airlines are scrambling and building schedules they can’t fill right now. Why would they stop if all the sudden they had more pilots? They’d just increase the number of flights per day and leave the same percent uncovered.

There are many many other more effective solutions to fix the perceived pilot shortage.

1. Build a schedule that you can actually accomplish. Exception being regionals when they loose huge numbers of pilots in one month to the majors.

2. The bottle neck is regionals. They are the ones with the shortage. If the majors brought the regionals into their tent, watch how fast the “problem” would get fixed. Right now, you may be able to get hired at a couple branded flying outfits right at atp mins. More likely though, you go to a regional at atp mins. You then have two options. leave after 200-500 hundred hours and go to Frontier, Spirit, Breeze, Avello, Atlas, etc. or stay for 1000-2000 hours. Either way, you stay for <1-4 years. You literally go to a regional with the intent to leave as fast as possible. When seniority is the name of the game, what motivation is there to stay at a regional?

3. How much is training backlog and spooling up because everyone’s predictions were wrong?

4. The ramp. I experience a lot of delays because of the ramp. I mentioned DEN. How many people are turned away or don’t qualify to work because of weed? Creating an actual workable regulation for weed would open up the market to many more people willing to work the ramp. This applies in more and more states. Off the top of my head, California, Colorado, Arizona, New York? Although, there are only a few tiny little hubs in those states I guess.

5. ATC modernization.

6. Non-sensical ATC covid rules. How many delays have been created for “Covid cleaning.”

7. Stupid vaccine mandate. I think it’s mostly been whittled down to purely a virtue signal at this point. But get rid of it.

This is just off the top of my head and would do more to fix the systemic issues than just raising the arbitrary age by 2 years. Which may in fact frustrate and decrease the numbers in the pipeline.

Maybe because the full realization hadn’t hit the industry yet.
Most people here have already lived the hits of stagnation, loss of pay and QOL when the people who benefited by the age 60 rule got another five years at the top.

Ford Harrison will love the discord this sees in the unions.

Age 60 - 64.9 wants this, not many others.

I’ve lived it once and looks like it’ll happen again, with predictable consequences.

There is zero shortage at the majors. We all know that the shortage is at the regionals, and that’s impacting smaller cities like GSP where Lindsey flies out of. This 67 thing won’t change anything at the majors staffing wise. They’ll just be able to slow down the hiring. The regionals are the only ones to really gain from the change. If they were honest they would call this bill “Create stagnation for young aviators at the regionals because I don’t like driving to Charlotte Act”.

I am going to have to ask you to stop bring common sense into this discussion. :)

I'm as conservative as they come, (the Reagan brand, not this "new" Republican/Q-anon crap) but Lauren BoBo signing onto this doesn't give it much credibility. Hell why not get Marjorie Taylor Green to start talking about how Q says age 65 is a conspiracy and guns should be allowed on planes while you're at it.

I was. It sucked.