Originally Posted by bonvoyage

They are absolutely turning a profit, so you see the number of charter flights they are doing? Some of the pilots may not be happy about it, and I understand, but it is a multi-hundred-million dollar a year opportunity for them to fund the growth they want. The line flying in the E190 has become the red headed step child. When we opened the doors, somewhere around 36-38 pax broke even on a flight. After fuel went up it’s probably 45. So even at 3/4 full, they’re doubling their money. If anyone thinks David Neeleman is just gonna let this place go down the $hitter, they’re delusional

Originally Posted by Swapapotamoose

I’m not sure about that. BreeZe may have 80% load factors, but being the new kid on the block most of those tickets were sold for dirt cheap. With spirits new rates matching Alaska’s, others will follow (b6,F9,SWA, etc). Breeze will have to raise pay once again. I don’t think paying pilots over $200 an hr was ever part of the plan (Trey Urbahn - “Skilled people are very hard to find. So that threatens the cost structure of the industry because we're going to be competing by having to pay people more”.) The charter thing could’ve been good but it seems like they already blew it. Lots of complaints from customers and breeze already developing a bad rep.

Originally Posted by Concorde001

You are kidding, right?

Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1

I’ll agree with that. Breeze will be very different a year two and 3 from what it is now being a start up. But it certainly won’t all be ups there will be plenty of low points too. Pilot group in 5 years won’t grow from what it is now to 3000+. That’s going to take a decade or two. Breeze is right now what jet blue and spirit were 15 years ago. So expect it to really take that long to reach the same level of market share and growth. If your goal has been to join a start up great you have an opportunity to do so. If your goal is to follow an established route or path and get to a legacy it probably not your best shot. People have an opportunity to end up at a carrier fairly early in their career that may or may not be a good place to retire with and may or may not end up being a major. It’s a risk and my guess would be that risk isn’t for everyone and it’s not likely one’s goal to end up at a start up and deal with those hardships. Breeze offers some unique bases and with that can offer some people better qol out the gate. But to leave a regional for them or leave a major for them is a step back for sure with a small chance of it being worth it. It’s a bit of a crap shoot.

Originally Posted by shortspatula

If you had a choice between your regional or breeze, you’d be crazy to stay at any regional. I’ve never had as good quality of life or been paid to this much before. What you mean is it’s uncertain compared to the established operations and of course that’s true. I do have to say there’s growing pains but it’s a pretty complex startup, flying all over the place. Most people are still new trying to figure things out. That may not be your cup of tea for sure but it gives you the opportunity to shape the culture. Literally everyone is laid back and nice to be around.

Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1

I might also add it’s probably not a good environment for someone new to the 121 world without that experience to rely on. I can’t say for sure but from the posts in the other thread the training department isn’t the best and that’s a given being a new company without processes or tools in place. I don’t look much beyond the pay scale beyond where I currently am but the regionals are paying about as much as breeze is these days. Breeze would be on the top end of the regional scale. So all that’s really left is culture if that’s your thing or you wanna shape it and qol which yeah if you live in a breeze base you can have that qol.

Originally Posted by bonvoyage

Bro you’ve already been chewed up and spit out of your Spirit thread. You want that over here too? You should be focused on getting through indoc at NK. Good luck

Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1

I finished training 4 months ago thanks. Is there a reason people have to chew everyone up on this site. It’s not an argument it’s just a discussion. Obviously I’m not at breeze. If someone wants to really go to breeze by all means that’s their choice. It’s not my place to force my opinions on someone else and if it works for them great. But I am allowed to express my opinions that for some breeze might be a great option but for most it’s not at least not now.

Originally Posted by bonvoyage

Because the people you are encountering on here have been professional pilots, at majors, legacies etc. for longer than you’ve probably been alive. When you come around a spew bull$hit, you get called out. You must be a hard learner. Here’s a tip: go read your comment history and notice the cringe… maybe you’ll stop posting after you realize what an inexperienced tool you sound like

Originally Posted by Justabusdriver1

I might also add it’s probably not a good environment for someone new to the 121 world without that experience to rely on. I can’t say for sure but from the posts in the other thread the training department isn’t the best and that’s a given being a new company without processes or tools in place. I don’t look much beyond the pay scale beyond where I currently am but the regionals are paying about as much as breeze is these days. Breeze would be on the top end of the regional scale. So all that’s really left is culture if that’s your thing or you wanna shape it and qol which yeah if you live in a breeze base you can have that qol.