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Hedley 04-16-2023 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3624987)
... the right congress might be interested in something like this, saving another oppressed class from themselves at the expense of everyone else.

I can just see Biden’s next gaffe. “If you have a problem figuring out whether you're for me or Trump, then you ain’t fat”

SonicFlyer 04-16-2023 10:33 AM

Seriously, who wouldn't want bigger seats and unlimited snacks? :D

Wingtip220 04-16-2023 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3625028)
Seriously, who wouldn't want bigger seats and unlimited snacks? :D

Frontier, Spirit and Allegiant

JohnBurke 04-16-2023 10:51 AM

Try to remember that those "fat gordo" passengers that you hate so much are the ones paying your hourly wage. The people who want the bigger seats? They're ponying up the dough.

It's really not a good look to ***** about the customer.

Wingtip220 04-16-2023 11:10 AM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 3625038)
Try to remember that those "fat gordo" passengers that you hate so much are the ones paying your hourly wage. The people who want the bigger seats? They're ponying up the dough.

It's really not a good look to ***** about the customer.

If you read the article those folks are saying a whole row for them should not cost extra so we’re not talking **** about those customers. We’re exposing the absurdity and entitlement mentality of certain demographics because they have access to social media platforms. If you feel free seats should be given to a customer of size then you’ll be out of a job quicker than you think. Those customers don’t feel they need to “pony up the dough” because they lack self restraint concerning nutrition.

Hedley 04-16-2023 11:31 AM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 3625038)
Try to remember that those "fat gordo" passengers that you hate so much are the ones paying your hourly wage. The people who want the bigger seats? They're ponying up the dough.

It's really not a good look to ***** about the customer.

It’s not about hating fat customers, it’s about them wanting freebies or allowing them to encroach on other passenger’s space. At the end of they day, passengers are renting space on a flight going from A to B. It isn’t any more out of line expecting someone who occupies two spaces to pay for them than it is for a normal sized person to expect to be able to use the space that they paid for without someone spilling over into half of it. Should parents traveling with lap children also be able to demand that the airlines give them free seats so that they can use a car seat?

Flyweight 04-16-2023 12:02 PM

O brother voice: oh george, not the livestock!

ReadOnly7 04-16-2023 12:20 PM

The reason it looks bad is the personal attacks on their size. It’s not the size that’s the issue…it’s the insane entitlement attitude. It would be equally offensive for a skinny passenger to demand a discount for using less space. I don’t see this happening except maybe something like amusement parks have. Each plane maybe has ONE “hefty sized” seat for persons of size….and if nobody needs it, it can be sold for a premium.

Wingtip220 04-16-2023 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 (Post 3625072)
The reason it looks bad is the personal attacks on their size. It’s not the size that’s the issue…it’s the insane entitlement attitude. It would be equally offensive for a skinny passenger to demand a discount for using less space. I don’t see this happening except maybe something like amusement parks have. Each plane maybe has ONE “hefty sized” seat for persons of size….and if nobody needs it, it can be sold for a premium.

You let “ONE” be available then you might as well make the whole aircraft 1st class. That’s exactly how the entitlement crowd works. They love the victim mentality and if you accommodate one demand they up the ante with more until you or your company defeats itself. Obesity in this country is an epidemic and coming from a previous career in the medical field it almost always has nothing to do with physiology. Yes there are systemic issues that come into play with weight management but there are also procedures and treatments to counter those things. Pop Culture has has basically imposed an early death sentence by glorifying obesity with those who are morbidly obese. I also worked in pathology and performed many autopsies, you would be amazed at what excessive adipose tissue does to the organs, skeletal stress and vessel structure. Hearts of the obese look like marbled Ribeye’s and I’ve pulled out livers that were completed covered with veils of fat and weighing between 3000-4000 grams which is double the normal weight. I’m sorry but I’ve seen enough to say that the majority of obese folks made the choice to become that way. To demand accommodations for bad choices and then receive them only exacerbates the problem.

hindsight2020 04-16-2023 01:22 PM

Bit of a sidebar but, for context, in 1985 none of the main 4 offered seating narrower than 19 inches, and we were a heck of a lot thinner as a society back then. So the causation is not on fat people entitlement being the genesis of this problem.

Furthermore on volumetrics, even though seat pitch is the one the airlines like to handwave most about, 67% (according to a 1,300 wide survey, see hyperlinked source) list seat width as the main detractor for airline travel. Survey answer which I share and belong to. It's absolutely unjustifiable that the profit margin post-deregulation (given the absolute swarm that is our current flight volume in present times) is argued as soooo thin, that volumetrics arbitrage which makes the 1980s seem humanitarian by comparison, is the only way these so called titans of industry can fly these copy-paste, Streetcar equivalent, winged phalli and stay in business. Complete canard.

Lastly, to turn around about how I should pay a grand USD for the "privilege" of discretionary travel while being crammed into a volume of space where 3 US gen pop males can only have a total of 5 arms in width. To say nothing of being compelled to display equivalent gratitude as would be expected of a natural disaster visa-seeking Salvadorian, clutching to my rosary and trading 3 hours of physical discomfort and proxemics-abrogation for the sake of the rest of my life? Complete dishonest broker of apologetics-balderdash, that predictable shaming from the usual suspects. Where does the slippery slope end? Don't answer that I'm being rhetorical.
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