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nene 07-13-2023 02:36 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3665141)
Everybody calm down. The important thing is that we all realize and take solace in the fact that our own path is superior to anyone else’s.

It’s pure human nature to rationalize one’s own decisions. When I was in military and moved a bunch, when I moved to new area and asked anyone about a church/school and almost always their church/school was better than any others and the ones down the street were all messed up.

tnkrdrvr 07-14-2023 11:18 AM

Not sure why you think you have to work until 65. You are only 20 years from maxing out your pension. At that point, you can retire (at 54!!!), defer your pension until age 60, and live off of savings and your 401k until the pension kicks in. Sounds awful. :rolleyes:

Joachim 07-14-2023 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3664837)

Even so, IMO the real statistical risk with cargo is the health impact of the circadian disruptions experienced by many cargo pilots.

Where do you find those statistics?

John Carr 07-14-2023 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by Joachim (Post 3665984)
Where do you find those statistics?

Its based on an OLD statistic/study. One from when cargo TRULY was all night flying. Vs the shift that happened 20+ years ago where a huge portion is day time flying.

People now just like to spout it off to pretend like they know more than everyone else/justify where their choice was better, etc.

I know junior guys at both purple/brown that can hold mostly day, PM, or non circadian rhythm swap schedules.

Our days at the regionals could be more punishing than what they fly.

Jdub2 07-14-2023 06:48 PM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 3666001)
Its based on an OLD statistic/study. One from when cargo TRULY was all night flying. Vs the shift that happened 20+ years ago where a huge portion is day time flying.

People now just like to spout it off to pretend like they know more than everyone else/justify where their choice was better, etc.

I know junior guys at both purple/brown that can hold mostly day, PM, or non circadian rhythm swap schedules.

Our days at the regionals could be more punishing than what they fly.

Yeah it’s so crazy, I’ve never met a cargo pilot that flies at night. Y’all must park all the jets at 22:00 local

tnkrdrvr 07-14-2023 10:02 PM


Originally Posted by Jdub2 (Post 3666064)
Yeah it’s so crazy, I’ve never met a cargo pilot that flies at night. Y’all must park all the jets at 22:00 local

Cargo flying, like pax flying, is only hard on your health if you do it a lot. Smart money says getting paid to not fly is better for your health.:cool:

John Carr 07-14-2023 11:17 PM


Originally Posted by Jdub2 (Post 3666064)
Yeah it’s so crazy, I’ve never met a cargo pilot that flies at night. Y’all must park all the jets at 22:00 local

EXACTLY.

And as an SLF pilot, we never fly nights either.

At my SLF my shop, ALL flying is day time. No circadian swaps or redeyes.

Hell, even our king China/India/SA stuff ALL takes place in the day time with rest periods timed to our domicile/acclimated time.

FTv3 07-15-2023 03:01 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3665141)
Everybody calm down. The important thing is that we all realize and take solace in the fact that our own path is superior to anyone else’s.

OP asked for comparisons…

crewdawg 07-15-2023 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr (Post 3666118)
Cargo flying, like pax flying, is only hard on your health if you do it a lot. Smart money says getting paid to not fly is better for your health.:cool:


Yes sir! The few days of flying, the better. Shorter legs, lower altitudes also help.

Joachim 07-15-2023 07:26 AM


Originally Posted by John Carr (Post 3666001)
Its based on an OLD statistic/study. One from when cargo TRULY was all night flying. Vs the shift that happened 20+ years ago where a huge portion is day time flying.

People now just like to spout it off to pretend like they know more than everyone else/justify where their choice was better, etc.

I know junior guys at both purple/brown that can hold mostly day, PM, or non circadian rhythm swap schedules.

Our days at the regionals could be more punishing than what they fly.

My guess would be that international night flying in theater is the healthiest cargo option (CGN, or intra asia). You’re on body clock, short legs, low block, and low radiation. There are usually better food options, you have more time to eat, and you often have a high quality gym to yourself. You can definitely screw it up with brats and Kölsch but thats a personal choice.

Having done most types of flying in the 121 world I would say the it comes down to one and done type widebody pax flying and intra theater cargo flying. Of the two I prefer the cargo option.

This is just my personal opinion. I don’t have statistics like rickair777 says he does.

You’ll hear some people describing their ACMI experiences as an indicator of life at Purple/Brown and the reason for choosing pax. That is a mistake. It is very different. We do fly at night domestically. However, between the domestic day time and the international night time flying there are plenty of palatable options. You used to be able to bid those relatively quickly. Things have slowed down now.

That being said, with the rapid movement at legacies and the slowing pace of the aforementioned two I’d advise most aspirants to choose a legacy right now and stick with it. I would not leave a top two cargo slot unless I had little to no time invested and the reasons for leaving were overwhelming.


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