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word302 01-19-2025 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by GoodJet (Post 3872791)
To complicate the matter further we have convertable long call at my shop so you *can be* on long call and then the next day not on long call anymore. Pretty worthless if you want to do anything substantial. Like camping, being out of cell phone range in general or driving more than a few hours from the airport and staying with friends.

I wouldn't consider that a "day off" at all. Even long call is 12 hours. You can't plan on an event like a running race or team sport on a specific day. You could get called 12 hours before something that was planned for months and miss it.

Other than doing chores around the house, grocery getting and dry cleaning it's not really great for fun life events. Because even long call non convertable reserve isn't a day off it's 1/2 of a day off.

You can’t plan life events on a reserve day anywhere. Long call is 14 hours. Unused reserve days are not days off but most of us have made a pretty good go of it. Crediting 90+ hours/month for a few days of flying works great for me.

GoodJet 01-19-2025 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3872809)
14?
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Forced by seniority onto it. It makes no difference. It's still not even a full day off. It's just part of a day. That's all I'm saying.

FangsF15 01-19-2025 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3872809)
14?
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18... ;)

I honestly don't get the consternation over wheter you can "nonrev to Europe" or "fish out of cell coverage" on a reserve day. Unless you get used, IT AIN'T WORK. And for me and my family, that's what matters.

Plus, for non-commuters, even being on SC is a non-event - though I don't object to SC being called 'work', regardless of used/not used. I bid almost exclusively reserve, and the number of times I've ever been called for a no-kidding minimum-time report is less than 1% of all the reserve assignments I've ever gotten (that goes for both LC and SC).

symbian simian 01-20-2025 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker (Post 3872683)
That’s bad but how would you like to give up 3 months of a higher pay rate annually for 12 years?

Some things are just not okay. Training pay till you were off OE, not okay. Company anniversary three months after DOH, for the rest of your career, absolutely bonkers.

notEnuf 01-20-2025 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3872851)
18... ;)

I honestly don't get the consternation over wheter you can "nonrev to Europe" or "fish out of cell coverage" on a reserve day. Unless you get used, IT AIN'T WORK. And for me and my family, that's what matters.

Plus, for non-commuters, even being on SC is a non-event - though I don't object to SC being called 'work', regardless of used/not used. I bid almost exclusively reserve, and the number of times I've ever been called for a no-kidding minimum-time report is less than 1% of all the reserve assignments I've ever gotten (that goes for both LC and SC).

Well... I did spend all day checking in on APC in my pajamas but they do have the pilot uniform t-shirt and black (fleece) pants. That's work! More of that grind to come tomorrow. When will it stop? Oh yeah, I still get 13 regular off days too. Europe anyone?

Blip 01-20-2025 01:42 PM

What about the last day of 18 LC where you weren't used that ends at 6 am before you wake up? You can fly to Europe that day. Is that a Schrödinger's cat problem?

GogglesPisano 01-20-2025 02:04 PM

How about we label unused reserve days as "Work from Home."

FangsF15 01-20-2025 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by Blip (Post 3873157)
What about the last day of 18 LC where you weren't used that ends at 6 am before you wake up? You can fly to Europe that day. Is that a Schrödinger's cat problem?

I'd argue that starts at about midnight of the last LC day (not later than 0100). There are almost zero rotations that report after 1800, fly, turn, fly back, release in the last 6 hours of your LC by midnight.


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 3873163)
How about we label unused reserve days as "Work from Home."

I get this is humor,but once again, it is not work.





All that said, let's move on and return to keeping this particular thread on topic.

Profane Kahuna 01-20-2025 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by goinaround (Post 3872775)
Agree. I've worked 2 days in the past 4 weeks (short call assigned). I've sat at home for the rest of the time. But I'm a commuter.....I've gotta be prepared to go catch a flight in the afternoon if I'm assigned a morning trip. Therefore, I can't go fishing until I'm well and truly on my off days. Just one data point to support the position that unused rsv days are not "off".


Amen!



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Profane Kahuna 01-20-2025 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by GoodJet (Post 3872791)
To complicate the matter further we have convertable long call at my shop so you *can be* on long call and then the next day not on long call anymore. Pretty worthless if you want to do anything substantial. Like camping, being out of cell phone range in general or driving more than a few hours from the airport and staying with friends.

I wouldn't consider that a "day off" at all. Even long call is 12 hours. You can't plan on an event like a running race or team sport on a specific day. You could get called 12 hours before something that was planned for months and miss it.

Other than doing chores around the house, grocery getting and dry cleaning it's not really great for fun life events. Because even long call non convertable reserve isn't a day off it's 1/2 of a day off.



yep!


Certainly it's a QOL bump, just forced to take it one day at a time and can't go very far.


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