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Profane Kahuna 01-20-2025 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by 60av8tor (Post 3873233)
UA WB FO. 9 months reserve: 117 days on duty: 111 days LC, 6 days converted to SC, all duty days unused


That's what I'm talking about..... life goals.

Well done sir!


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Flyby1206 01-21-2025 04:56 AM


Originally Posted by 60av8tor (Post 3873233)
UA WB FO. 9 months reserve: 117 days on duty: 111 days LC, 6 days converted to SC, all duty days unused

But but you couldn’t climb Mt Everest while drinking a beer! 😂

Nicely done

Boxhound 01-21-2025 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by Lex11incheSteel (Post 3868504)
Great QOL, but pay is less than the regional kiddos and ACMI pukes.

with this many days off—-this bro could have a monster side hustle.


FXLAX 01-21-2025 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by FangsF15 (Post 3872851)
18... ;)

I honestly don't get the consternation over wheter you can "nonrev to Europe" or "fish out of cell coverage" on a reserve day. Unless you get used, IT AIN'T WORK. And for me and my family, that's what matters.

Plus, for non-commuters, even being on SC is a non-event - though I don't object to SC being called 'work', regardless of used/not used. I bid almost exclusively reserve, and the number of times I've ever been called for a no-kidding minimum-time report is less than 1% of all the reserve assignments I've ever gotten (that goes for both LC and SC).

So it aint work...retrospetively. It matters to your family...after the fact. For me, that's hard to call it a day off. I can agree that it isn't work, but its harder to say it was a day off. But in the context of this thread, maybe it should be counted as a day off? Becuase getting that "day off" will depend on that airline's work rules. Meaning, airlines with better work rules (qol) will probably, on average, have more pilots no get used on reserve. And I see this thread as not only a pay comparison, but a qol comparison as well. This has become evident at FedEx where we have LC of 24 hours. But, first, that means you are number one to get put on hotel standby (yes, we have hotel standby in our contract). And second, lately they have been assigining trips (if not hotel standby) days if not weeks in advance (yes, our contract allows that for LC). That may or may not be good for the LC pilot but it certainly minimizes lineholder pilots from trading or picking up the trip.

All that to say, context matters. So count me in as someone who beleives that for the sake of better comparison, pilots should state reserve days not used out of the total awarded/picked up.

BlueSkies 01-21-2025 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by FXLAX (Post 3873505)
So it aint work...retrospetively. It matters to your family...after the fact. For me, that's hard to call it a day off. I can agree that it isn't work, but its harder to say it was a day off. But in the context of this thread, maybe it should be counted as a day off? Becuase getting that "day off" will depend on that airline's work rules. Meaning, airlines with better work rules (qol) will probably, on average, have more pilots no get used on reserve. And I see this thread as not only a pay comparison, but a qol comparison as well. This has become evident at FedEx where we have LC of 24 hours. But, first, that means you are number one to get put on hotel standby (yes, we have hotel standby in our contract). And second, lately they have been assigining trips (if not hotel standby) days if not weeks in advance (yes, our contract allows that for LC). That may or may not be good for the LC pilot but it certainly minimizes lineholder pilots from trading or picking up the trip.

All that to say, context matters. So count me in as someone who beleives that for the sake of better comparison, pilots should state reserve days not used out of the total awarded/picked up.

100% this.

I get it, it's nice sitting home with the family, mowing the grass, inviting the neighbors over for an impromptu dinner that afternoon, "Gosh Bob, it's almost like you never work!" etc.

But how many of you in the "unused reserve day = equals a day off" camp would be cool with the Co. saying, well since we didn't call you with a trip you didn't actually work yesterday so that day of reserve now counts as one of your 12 days off this month? I've heard of scummy Part 135 or 91 operators with scheduling practices like that but not even the worst regional tries to pull that.

Posting days off + unused LC/SC days as separate numbers is super useful. Anything else is misleading IMO.

rickair7777 01-21-2025 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by BlueSkies (Post 3873559)
But how many of you in the "unused reserve day = equals a day off" camp would be cool with the Co. saying, well since we didn't call you with a trip you didn't actually work yesterday so that day of reserve now counts as one of your 12 days off this month?



Retroactive days off/rest is illegal in 121/117.


Originally Posted by BlueSkies (Post 3873559)
I've heard of scummy Part 135 or 91 operators with scheduling practices like that but not even the worst regional tries to pull that.

Regionals can't, it's illegal. Corporate bottom feeders, not subject to 117, may well try to count un-utilized on-call days as days off, retroactively. But that's mostly for contractual purposes... 135 is barely required to give you any days off to begin with and I don't think 91 requires any at all.

BlueSkies 01-22-2025 04:04 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3873579)

Retroactive days off/rest is illegal in 121/117.



Regionals can't, it's illegal. Corporate bottom feeders, not subject to 117, may well try to count un-utilized on-call days as days off, retroactively. But that's mostly for contractual purposes... 135 is barely required to give you any days off to begin with and I don't think 91 requires any at all.

I'm aware, my language was too loose talking about regionals and I should have said even at the worst regionals they can't do that to you.

And that's my point. We'd all be up in arms (and rightly so) if the Co tried to call them days off after the fact because it's wrong in principle and as you point out illegal. I was trying to use that scenario to illustrate why if we don't want the Co calling it a day off we shouldn't either.

60av8tor 01-22-2025 04:21 AM


Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna (Post 3873235)
That's what I'm talking about..... life goals.

Well done sir!


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3873284)
But but you couldn’t climb Mt Everest while drinking a beer! 😂

Nicely done

This is definitely a happenstance/perfect storm situation - Boeing delayed deliveries, shuffled routing, overstaffed - but I'll take it while it lasts!



Originally Posted by PK387 (Post 3873540)
Well done, that's incredible. EWR 787?

Maybe...🤔😂 The UPA reserve changes have also made it much better. Very easy to know when a SC is coming with ladders and headroom percentage shown on the grid. The add pay for SC pick ups also helps the cause as those who live close tend to pick them up, so not many to be assigned.

notEnuf 01-22-2025 09:01 AM


Originally Posted by BlueSkies (Post 3873559)
100% this.

I get it, it's nice sitting home with the family, mowing the grass, inviting the neighbors over for an impromptu dinner that afternoon, "Gosh Bob, it's almost like you never work!" etc.

But how many of you in the "unused reserve day = equals a day off" camp would be cool with the Co. saying, well since we didn't call you with a trip you didn't actually work yesterday so that day of reserve now counts as one of your 12 days off this month? I've heard of scummy Part 135 or 91 operators with scheduling practices like that but not even the worst regional tries to pull that.

Posting days off + unused LC/SC days as separate numbers is super useful. Anything else is misleading IMO.

I haven't worked in a month but I have fullfilled my obligation to my employer and gotten paid for it. That's all that really matters. If you choose to fly to fullfill your obligation then that's on you. Full disclosure: Flying has never really been work to me so not flying is even less real work. Call it what you like. My unused LC and SC days have real value and real QOL. We can't all do what I do or nobody would get anywhere, but I am employed and have a job. (regardless of what the neihbors or APC thinks) Being on call is not working but for purposes of the thread unused days is totally acceptable.

FangsF15 01-22-2025 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by BlueSkies (Post 3873600)
I'm aware, my language was too loose talking about regionals and I should have said even at the worst regionals they can't do that to you.

And that's my point. We'd all be up in arms (and rightly so) if the Co tried to call them days off after the fact because it's wrong in principle and as you point out illegal. I was trying to use that scenario to illustrate why if we don't want the Co calling it a day off we shouldn't either.

There are reasonable arguments for breaking out unused SC. This ain’t one of them.


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