Helping ATC
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From: Retired ATC
I was reading that several airlines and other companies are having the unused meals go to the ATC facilities. As a retired tower guy, I want to thank each and every one of you and your companies for the kind and generous offerings. I have several friends still working, and many of them are having trouble making ends meet (or should I say meat). This is what being an American is about,.... THANK YOU again! Cheers and happy holidays to all of you.....
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From: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
In civil service circles it's well known that you need a month of cash on hand late in the fiscal year. Basic Ramsey stuff, just way more predictable, and you know exactly when.
For most GS, it's just a free vacation and they love every minute since they know they'll get back pay. Some of them even book open-ended refundable vacation plans every Oct just in case.
For essential workers it should just be a wash, minor nuisance.
But that's for Oct. Going beyond one month I would say is where many might reasonably start running out of free cash. Don't really want ATC controllers with 10 hours off between shifts driving uber instead of sleeping (they should still be able to use fatigue calls, which of course impacts staffing).
Most should not be destitute but if I were in their shoes the pain point would be pulling money out of qualified retirement accounts and paying tax and penalties.
For most GS, it's just a free vacation and they love every minute since they know they'll get back pay. Some of them even book open-ended refundable vacation plans every Oct just in case.
For essential workers it should just be a wash, minor nuisance.
But that's for Oct. Going beyond one month I would say is where many might reasonably start running out of free cash. Don't really want ATC controllers with 10 hours off between shifts driving uber instead of sleeping (they should still be able to use fatigue calls, which of course impacts staffing).
Most should not be destitute but if I were in their shoes the pain point would be pulling money out of qualified retirement accounts and paying tax and penalties.
#7
In civil service circles it's well known that you need a month of cash on hand late in the fiscal year. Basic Ramsey stuff, just way more predictable, and you know exactly when.
For most GS, it's just a free vacation and they love every minute since they know they'll get back pay. Some of them even book open-ended refundable vacation plans every Oct just in case.
For essential workers it should just be a wash, minor nuisance.
But that's for Oct. Going beyond one month I would say is where many might reasonably start running out of free cash. Don't really want ATC controllers with 10 hours off between shifts driving uber instead of sleeping (they should still be able to use fatigue calls, which of course impacts staffing).
Most should not be destitute but if I were in their shoes the pain point would be pulling money out of qualified retirement accounts and paying tax and penalties.
For most GS, it's just a free vacation and they love every minute since they know they'll get back pay. Some of them even book open-ended refundable vacation plans every Oct just in case.
For essential workers it should just be a wash, minor nuisance.
But that's for Oct. Going beyond one month I would say is where many might reasonably start running out of free cash. Don't really want ATC controllers with 10 hours off between shifts driving uber instead of sleeping (they should still be able to use fatigue calls, which of course impacts staffing).
Most should not be destitute but if I were in their shoes the pain point would be pulling money out of qualified retirement accounts and paying tax and penalties.
This kinda helps the argument to raise the retirement age for ATC doesnt it?
There isnt a pilot shortage.
There is a controller shortage.
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In civil service circles it's well known that you need a month of cash on hand late in the fiscal year. Basic Ramsey stuff, just way more predictable, and you know exactly when.
For most GS, it's just a free vacation and they love every minute since they know they'll get back pay. Some of them even book open-ended refundable vacation plans every Oct just in case.
For essential workers it should just be a wash, minor nuisance.
But that's for Oct. Going beyond one month I would say is where many might reasonably start running out of free cash. Don't really want ATC controllers with 10 hours off between shifts driving uber instead of sleeping (they should still be able to use fatigue calls, which of course impacts staffing).
Most should not be destitute but if I were in their shoes the pain point would be pulling money out of qualified retirement accounts and paying tax and penalties.
For most GS, it's just a free vacation and they love every minute since they know they'll get back pay. Some of them even book open-ended refundable vacation plans every Oct just in case.
For essential workers it should just be a wash, minor nuisance.
But that's for Oct. Going beyond one month I would say is where many might reasonably start running out of free cash. Don't really want ATC controllers with 10 hours off between shifts driving uber instead of sleeping (they should still be able to use fatigue calls, which of course impacts staffing).
Most should not be destitute but if I were in their shoes the pain point would be pulling money out of qualified retirement accounts and paying tax and penalties.
What are you talking about?
#9
In civil service circles it's well known that you need a month of cash on hand late in the fiscal year. Basic Ramsey stuff, just way more predictable, and you know exactly when.
For most GS, it's just a free vacation and they love every minute since they know they'll get back pay. Some of them even book open-ended refundable vacation plans every Oct just in case.
For essential workers it should just be a wash, minor nuisance.
But that's for Oct. Going beyond one month I would say is where many might reasonably start running out of free cash. Don't really want ATC controllers with 10 hours off between shifts driving uber instead of sleeping (they should still be able to use fatigue calls, which of course impacts staffing).
Most should not be destitute but if I were in their shoes the pain point would be pulling money out of qualified retirement accounts and paying tax and penalties.
For most GS, it's just a free vacation and they love every minute since they know they'll get back pay. Some of them even book open-ended refundable vacation plans every Oct just in case.
For essential workers it should just be a wash, minor nuisance.
But that's for Oct. Going beyond one month I would say is where many might reasonably start running out of free cash. Don't really want ATC controllers with 10 hours off between shifts driving uber instead of sleeping (they should still be able to use fatigue calls, which of course impacts staffing).
Most should not be destitute but if I were in their shoes the pain point would be pulling money out of qualified retirement accounts and paying tax and penalties.
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
I guess Trump has been making scary noises about eliminating the backpay, so that might be nerve-wracking. Although I'm nearly certain it could not be retro-active.
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